Euro 2012 Scotland Ireland?

Any views on the stories in the Star and other papers yesterday?

I'd imagine there is a strong chance that Eufa will strip Poland and Ukraine off the finals but are Scotland and Ireland in with a chance if this happens.


8 stadiums needed:

The Scotish side of the 2008 bid failed on the fact that 3 stadiums were in the one city, Celtic Park, Hamden and Ibrox.

The Irish side well no need to point out where we let the bid down, but as of today we have

Croke Park - far more likey to run with it for the money now they have had socer and Rugby in the ground

Lansdowne Road - regardless of the FAI providing their share of the money the stadium will be built on time as the IRFU will finish it on their own if needs be.

Celtic Park, Hamden and Ibrox could be all used if they were only hosting 2 groups but it would mean a 9th stadium anyway.

Murrayfield - already meets all criteria

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3 stadiums of a minimum of 30K capacity.

Surely the Irish Gove could finance a 30K stadium in the South and a 2nd one in the West to lodge a credible bid. Using the same design as the Drogs new stadium these can be built in a very short space of time and at a much lower cost than traditional stadiums.

Alternately the Scots would need 3 more stadia rather thatn the 2 originally proposed.

Where there's a will there's a way and if we want to do it we can do, we successfully staged the Ryder cup, any one in favour / against etc.

It'd be a terrible idea. There's just no proper stadiums here. Landsdowne Road and maybe, just maybe, Croker but that's it.

The Gov are not going to, and rightly so, invest in a 30k stadium if the economy is going down the crapper oin the next few years, as is to be believed.

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Originally Posted by superfrank

It'd be a terrible idea. There's just no proper stadiums here. Landsdowne Road and maybe, just maybe, Croker but that's it.

The Gov are not going to, and rightly so, invest in a 30k stadium if the economy is going down the crapper oin the next few years, as is to be believed.

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didnt we part host the rugby world cup with just lansdowne, do you not think that even with just Croker and Lansdowne, the idea of hosting agroup and a quarter and possibly semi final or even final would not be good for the country.

If a joint bid was to succeed Croker would surely be odds on for the final due to it having far superior corporate boxes etc than any other of the Scottish stadiums.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

do you not think that even with just Croker and Lansdowne, the idea of hosting agroup and a quarter and possibly semi final or even final would not be good for the country.

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Personally, it'd be embarassing. It would make us look like a country of amateurs to have one proper football stadium.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

If a joint bid was to succeed Croker would surely be odds on for the final due to it having far superior corporate boxes etc than any other of the Scottish stadiums.

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Hampden Park hosted a UEFA Cup final not too long ago so it can't be that bad if UEFA have it host a final. I'm sure Celtic Park and Ibrox are both pretty good and doubtless they would undergo any necessary renovation if they succeeded in a bid.

Anyway, I haven't heard anything official about UEFA taking the Euros off UKraine/Poland.

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Originally Posted by superfrank

Personally, it'd be embarassing. It would make us look like a country of amateurs to have one proper football stadium.

Hampden Park hosted a UEFA Cup final not too long ago so it can't be that bad if UEFA have it host a final. I'm sure Celtic Park and Ibrox are both pretty good and doubtless they would undergo any necessary renovation if they succeeded in a bid.

Anyway, I haven't heard anything official about UEFA taking the Euros off UKraine/Poland.

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It was in a few papers yesterday, the fai refused to comment.

Hamden Ibrox and Celtic Park are 3 fabulous stadiums, the only thing is they didnt want 3 groups in the one city when the original bid failed.

Murrayfield is also more than suitable.

While you may not rate Croke Park as a soccer stadium it is streets ahed of the stadium in Yokahama where the 2002 WC final was held and, Stade Francais where the 2006 final was held.

Also the corporate hospitality is among the best of any stadiums in th eworld, a very important consideration for the final. to accomodate the suits:D

When Arsenal were building the emirates they modelled their corporate areas on Croke Park. The GAA are professional, shame about the FAI:D

Until I hear something concrete about 2012 not being held in Ukraine/Poland, I'm going to take this argument half-hearted.

I saw it yesterday in the tabloids, nothing in the real papers. Nothing on the BBC or UEFA websites. The FAI have refused to comment. I don't think this is going to happen.

If it did, there'd only be Landsdowne Road and, maybe, Croke Park.

I'm not totally confident that the GAA would allow it. They are a greedy bunch but then again they hate football in this country. And there's the small matter of the hurling and Gaelic championships which take place during the summer.

My problem with using Croke Park is it'd make the FAI look even more amateur. The first stadium they offer is one that's shared with the rugby and then the second one is owned by a different sport association altogether. That's embarassing.

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Originally Posted by superfrank

Until I hear something concrete about 2012 not being held in Ukraine/Poland, I'm going to take this argument half-hearted.

I saw it yesterday in the tabloids, nothing in the real papers. Nothing on the BBC or UEFA websites. The FAI have refused to comment. I don't think this is going to happen.

If it did, there'd only be Landsdowne Road and, maybe, Croke Park.

I'm not totally confident that the GAA would allow it. They are a greedy bunch but then again they hate football in this country. And there's the small matter of the hurling and Gaelic championships which take place during the summer.

My problem with using Croke Park is it'd make the FAI look even more amateur. The first stadium they offer is one that's shared with the rugby and then the second one is owned by a different sport association altogether. That's embarassing.

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What matter who owns the stadiums?

Do AIB own their bank branches?

I know it's a long shot but why shouldnt Ireland (not necessesarily the FAI) part host a major tournament.

Would UEFA really want two small nations that don't regularly qualify for major tournaments to host it again?

That said there are a few stadiums around the country that could be improved to host games.

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Originally Posted by boovidge

Would UEFA really want two small nations that don't regularly qualify for major tournaments to host it again?

That said there are a few stadiums around the country that could be improved to host games.

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UEFA only want to make as much lolly as possible :rolleyes:, if they could play every game in Croker with the huge exec boxes and premium level they probably would, and no Im not cynical :D

So,

Hampden

Celtic Park

Ibrox

Pittodrie (would just need a new stand built not that hard to bring to 30,000)

Murryfield

Croke Park

Lansdowne Road.


So really they would only need one more stadium either in Ireland or a totallly renovated stadium in Scotland.

Its not that hard to do actually from a stadium point of view. Other bids have had a lot more to do then build one stand at one Stadium and totally renovated and exted another stadium.

The perfect place would be a new stadium built in Dundee that both teams share but maybe those fans would not be into that but a 35,000 stadium for both teams to share on the site of the stadiums could work or renovate one of the Edinburgh stadiums.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/europe/...scotland.shtml

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

So,

Hampden

Celtic Park

Ibrox

Pittodrie (would just need a new stand built not that hard to bring to 30,000)

Murryfield

Croke Park

Lansdowne Road.


So really they would only need one more stadium either in Ireland or a totallly renovated stadium in Scotland.

Its not that hard to do actually from a stadium point of view. Other bids have had a lot more to do then build one stand at one Stadium and totally renovated and exted another stadium.

The perfect place would be a new stadium built in Dundee that both teams share but maybe those fans would not be into that but a 35,000 stadium for both teams to share on the site of the stadiums could work or renovate one of the Edinburgh stadiums.

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Yes but one of the failures of the original 2008 bid was 3 stadiums in Glasgow, UEFA would not allow 3. 2 of the 8 in one city was acceptable.

Politically the Scots would have to use all three or just Celtic and Rangers, therefore 2 additional grounds needed.

THE latest method of building stadiums sees them built off site and merely asembled, and this method can handle up to 40K capacity.

It could be done, so why shouldnt we be ambitious and say go for it.

My bank manager would love it, and maybe for once my hols would not be to football stadiums:D

I am sure if Scotland was coming to the rescue of Uefa and with Taylor very high up in Uefa they may overlook the 3 stadiums in 1 city.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I am sure if Scotland was coming to the rescue of Uefa and with Taylor very high up in Uefa they may overlook the 3 stadiums in 1 city.

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If it was up to me the less cities therefore the less travelling the better, I mean the athmosphere in Glasgow with a game every day, likewise a game a day in Dublin for a week or even every 2nd day, would eb fantastic.

AS you pointed out it's the very fact that Taylor who was the main man behind the failed bid is now in the postition of almost awarding the tournament to a nation. OK thats a bit simplistic, but definitely he has a lot of clout now and last time I checked nepotism was alive and well:D

Standard tabloid nonsense to sell papers, I think.

We have one ground under renovation and that's it. We came last in the bidding process, behind the likes of Bosnia and Hungary. No way are UEFA going to give it to us now. If it gets taken away from Poland/Ukraine (and I don't think a tournament has ever been taken away from a host, although it's been threatened numerous times), it'd presumably go to someone higher up the bidding than we were.

Also because after this they reckon the Euros are going to be expanded it could be the last chance that Scotland has to host a tournament. In addition I am sure Alex Salmond would be all for financing a bid as it would probably only entail refurbished of 2 stadiums and it would push the nationalism agenda right up to the forefront. But in the end I think Spain would get it if the Poles and Ukraine do lose the tournament.

Why is everyone assuming that the GAA will hand over Croke Park to UEFA for a month in the middle of the championship season?

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

If it gets taken away from Poland/Ukraine (and I don't think a tournament has ever been taken away from a host, although it's been threatened numerous times),

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Colombia to Mexico for the 1986 World Cup finals

LOL at some of the nonsense in here. Not a single ground good enough and people think we might have some say...

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Colombia to Mexico for the 1986 World Cup finals

LOL at some of the nonsense in here. Not a single ground good enough and people think we might have some say...

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Can't people dream? :(

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Colombia to Mexico for the 1986 World Cup finals

LOL at some of the nonsense in here. Not a single ground good enough and people think we might have some say...

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Grounds have been listed above on thread, and if you know anything about football and stadiums the following are all well above the required standard
Croke Park
LAnsdowne Road (construction well under way)
Celtic Park
Hamden Park
Ibrox
Murrayfield

Who owns the grounds is irrelevant

YEs the GAA may not play ball but I think in the national interests they may well do, and the group stages are only over 2 weeks, so unless they were hostin a semi final and final it may only be the same period of time that they hosts concerts.

6 of 8 grounds is more than acceptable for a credible bid,

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

Grounds have been listed above on thread, and if you know anything about football and stadiums the following are all well above the required standard
Croke Park
LAnsdowne Road (construction well under way)
Celtic Park
Hamden Park
Ibrox
Murrayfield

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That's 3 cities. Not a chance in hell without at least 3 or 4 more.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

Who owns the grounds is irrelevant

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How is it irrelevant? It's very relevant.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

YEs the GAA may not play ball but I think in the national interests they may well do, and the group stages are only over 2 weeks, so unless they were hostin a semi final and final it may only be the same period of time that they hosts concerts.
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One of the first stipulations from UEFA will be that no other events will take place in any of the grounds for the duration of the torunament and for probably 2 or 3 weeks beforehand.