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Just looking at a few other sites and have noticed shels fans seem to have a really big problem with SF. I understand rivalry between clubs but these guys are really spitting blood ( not all I know)
Just wondering what anyone else thought ( including shels fans)
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Originally Posted by Lamper.sffc
I reckon its 3 intervening factors.
1 recently a big club who have just had the wind taken out of their sails
2 bitterness at having lost out on hearse road/lissenhall before Ollie died
3 Fear of Sporting Fingal, a sustainable club looking over their shoulders
I've heard a couple say that Sporting Fingal were suppose to replace Shels or something last year. I don't see how this is true though. :confused:
They should be happy with a Dublin rival of some kind while they're down in this division.
First :D of many, I hope!Quote:
Originally Posted by Santry_Goonshow
Keep 'em coming!
Thank you for being reasonable and understanding the point. What the league needs, and beleaguered LOI fans deserve, is 20 clubs that have:Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
1. A well defined catchment area or "community" for their fans. This helps promotion, gates, sponsors and links to sources of funding. Not currently understood by clubs like Shels or Rovers - which bus route will they palying on next?
2. A stadium that they own, and therefore an asset to offset against troubled times or use as an income stream or concert venue or loan out to the GAA bethern. This is just good business sense, even retrogressive clubs in England know this - LOI clubs haven't the ability to see it
3. A net contribution to the development of skills and younger players, imo the most deficient system in Europe. Look at the Ireland u21s, and other youth level teams. There's a real dearth of quality coming through because local structures don't link together. Our skillful players develop in spite of the system not because of it.
Obviously most LOI clubs need a sharp jolt, LOI fans are like drug addicts. Put talcum powder in their hit and they will still throw it into their arms. i don't see why I was forced to grovel in other threads for this opinion:mad:
Superb! 2 from 2!!
So you're leaving out Rovers and Shels here, yeah?Quote:
Originally Posted by Santry_Goonshow
Fingal's a well defined, community area, yeah?Quote:
A well defined catchment area or "community" for their fans.
Shels have been at Tolka for over 20 years at this stage, and were in it before as well. Changing venues regularly alright.Quote:
Not currently understood by clubs like Shels or Rovers - which bus route will they palying on next?
That's youz out so.Quote:
A stadium that they own
And suddenly, SF will make the 21s world beaters, yeah?Quote:
A net contribution to the development of skills and younger players, imo the most deficient system in Europe. Look at the Ireland u21s, and other youth level teams.
Concrete proof that you're talking through your arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santry_Goonshow
Sporting Fingal, in my opinion, are adopting the right approach in creating links with their community and aspiring to setup an academy. They are not the only club doing this, however. Get off the high horse- it's hardly some sort of unprecedented brainwave.
Well answer this then. Why are clubs wallowing in and out of crisis even the so called giants of SRFC and SFC, why do most not own their stadia (SFFC will own theirs), why ar emost not really doing more than lip service to the development of youth soccer.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
I have a right to answer the question posed by the other man - and you can disagree, but how the hell is anything concrete proof of anyone talking to their arse. If you want to talk, talk. If you want to blindly insult me then just make up a chant sing it on an abandoned rented terrace and at least be honest with yourself.
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Originally Posted by pineapple stu
You need to inform yourself. I included Shels and Rovers in my comments. Pretty obvious isn't it? Fingal is very well defined, has a boundary going back to 1994. You can find maps of it on Google for example - check it if you don't believe me.
Shels sold their stadium at Irishtown (classic long-term thinking) arrived at Tolka and baled out to Harolds Cross dog track(making false promises to be the Dublin 4/6/12 local team especially after Rovers stabbed their fans in the back at Milltown). Why do I know this? Because I was one of several thousand mugs who thought they had a local side in Harolds Cross. This stint in Tolka almost ended on 3 occasions over the last 5 years. Shels lost out on two sites PLUS the opportunity to become Sporting Fingal. So tell me now, am I wrong to say they flit around?
Sporting Fingal will own its own purpose built stadium therby making a long term committment and putting roots down in Swords. The stadium it plays at now is envisaged for 2-3 years, but Fingal County Council is a stakeholder in that so it is secure unlike most others.
Read my original post. I wasn't saying that SFFC would be "world beaters", those are your words. I said that 20 league clubs need to take similar steps.
I'll get off my high-horse when you get a horse. Then we can look eye to eye.;)
Crisis? Shels were in a crisis because of one man running the show. They've paid the price and are subsequently rebuilding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santry_Goonshow
Since when did owning stadia become a barometer for the development of youth soccer?
You're original point was that Shamrock Rovers had no community links. For someone who is making themselves out to be an expert on this topic your comments on this thread, and threads, suggest otherwise.
When Rovers made the decision to build their new stadium in Tallaght they moved every aspect of the club the vicinity (schoolboy, LSL). They have also created several links with the community, including footballing scholarships in conjunction with ITT. To dismiss this and label SRFC as having no community links just because you are unaware of them is ignorance.
Yet again you show your ignorance for the topic being discussed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santry_Goonshow
And here the obsession starts...........
fcuking hell all we need is another geni ass telling us all were we are going wrong and before you reply we own our our groud and have one ofthe best youth and community programmes in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santry_Goonshow
your only here a wet day and your telling us all were we are going wrong. at this moment all you have is aspirations and therre like *******s we all have them
wikipedia/google does have a very good memoryQuote:
Originally Posted by Santry_Goonshow
as the Rock would say "know your role jabroni" :)
If I were a Fingal fan I'd more worried about the lack of people that were willing to pay into the Limerick game, 350-400 people with 70-80 of them being Limerick fans foretells Dublin City style doom I feel
This is great craic!
You referred to 20 eL teams. You then singled out Rovers and Shels as exceptions. Given there are 22 teams, and you're talking about 20 and excluding two...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Santry_Goonshow
So you don't know what bus to get to Shels' next game even though they're in Tolka 20+ years, but a fictional county with borders for 14 years is well-defined?Quote:
Fingal is very well defined, has a boundary going back to 1994.
Fingal is not well defined. Nobody I know from there considers themselves Fingallian. Nobody, in short, cares. About the "county", or about the ego-trips the "county" councillors are on that needs them to invent a county to satisfy it. That's how it's not well defined.
No they won't. The council will. Similar set-up to a lot of clubs up and down the league.Quote:
Sporting Fingal will own its own purpose built stadium
Are they? You want to show me where I said that?Quote:
Read my original post. I wasn't saying that SFFC would be "world beaters", those are your words.
He's nothing more than a wum.
It was around the 480, About 30 to 40 limerick and also one of the coldest nights of the year. And i would still say not bad for a club who had few months to get a squad together and attract fans. If i had a penny for every dublin city reference. We are backed to the hilt financially for next 5 years unlike dublin city. And Dublin city never represented me. (I know there name had fingal in it at one point, nothing more than a cheap marketing trick)Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Since you can't count (30-40 Limerick fans ffs) I don't believe your estimates on the crowd
most if not all clubs have been on a learning curb for a number of years as football is changing but im sure they have nothing to learn from SF until we see the fruit of your loinsQuote:
Originally Posted by Santry_Goonshow
77/56A/50/65B/77A/54A/201/202/65/49/75Quote:
Originally Posted by Santry_Goonshow
Take your pick.:)