Don Givens: Stick or Sack?

I personally think that he should be let go of his duties, one question has to be answered here, are the players gaining the best possible experience, I think not, they lose more games than win under him and that can not be good for the players to gain A-international caps, cause the management might be fearful that the players are not up to the standards cause they are playing in a losing team, if they were in a winning team, that would help their cause.

Here is Givens Record:

2000: Pld: 08 - W: 2; D: 0; L: 6
2001: Pld: 05 - W: 2; D: 1; L: 2
2002: Pld: 04 - W: 1; D: 0; L: 3
2003: Pld: 08 - W: 2; D: 2; L: 4
2004: Pld: 09 - W: 5; D: 1; L: 3
2005: Pld: 05 - W: 0; D: 2; L: 3
2006: Pld: 09 - W: 6; D: 0; L: 3
2007: Pld: 09 - W: 3; D: 2; L: 4
2008: Pld: 01 - W: 0; D: 1; L: 0

TOTAL: Pld: 58; W: 21; D: 9; L: 28

I wish people made demands for him to go like they did for Kerr and Staunton...maybe then he would get the boot

Wow, didn't realise he lost that many games. That's a win ratio of 36% and a loss ratio of 50% - there aren't many managers that would survive as long as he has with that kind of record.

I don't care what his record is, he ****es another player off every year...get rid of him

He is ****e alright but no way would the FAI get rid of such a great servant/friend of Delaney's:rolleyes:.

As far as I would say it has gone past the time to get rid of him and he has way over stayed his welcome :mad::mad::mad:

Givens' job brief is get the U21 team putting in "good performances" and to test new players with the senior team in mind.

This idea of "good performances" has become accepted jargon for the reason why we lose matches but winning and "good performances" are not mutually exclusive. I think if a team is putting in "good performances" they should be capable of winning matches now and then.

Our pick of players at this level isn't that bad - I know the team were missing a few players last night but the team that played have plenty of first-team experience with their respective clubs.

Our other underage teams have shown it's possible to win games and qualify for tournaments - why not the U21s?

I think it's time for a change.

After seeing the game last night I really thing there isnt a shred of team spirit in the u21 team.... that should be the minimum that a manager should achieve. The players dont look like they want to play for him

Ya i remember someone on the rte panel praising him recently as well stating how tough a job he has considering any decent player he has is called up to the senior squad. That point is probably fair enough but still considering that his record is very poor.

He is a clown. Everyone is sick to the back teeth of him. He should've got the boot long ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is a clown.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

After seeing the game last night I really thing there isnt a shred of team spirit in the u21 team

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Yep. Stokes looked like he wasn't bothered at all. The only spark we saw was when Leon Best got on and started getting stuck in.

Sacking, and preferably deportation.

would be interesting to compare his record to that of the u21s from a country of similar football stature. id say it doesnt compare too badly to be honest. only the big countrys such as england, italy, germany etc excel at u21 level as they can afford to leave their better young players with the u21s rather than fast tracking them to the senior team. another easy target for Irish football fans i think

to compare them to our other underage teams is unfair as they dont have to compete with the senior team for use of players

Givens isn't an easy target - he's been in the job many a year now and the results haven't been good enough. He has stated that England aren't 15 points better than us but that's where we are under his leadership - 15 points behind England.

If the Welsh are able to win matches at U21 level why can't we?

Another U21 game, another dismal result, is'nt it clear that Givens can't take this role any further? Brady was there last night watching and hopefully he has seen enough to end Givens role in this important facet of our international set up. These players are on a hiding to nothing with Givens at the helm, no spirit, no ambition, no hope. All they are doing is gaining a losing mentality, as if our senior lot hadn't got one already! Fair play to McCaffrey and the U17's at least he has got them competing and actually qualifying but then they are passed on to Givens who either p****s them off or turns them into losers. If we are ever to have a decent senior team we HAVE to have a system in place and a management team that can bring on the next generation of players and not waste their talents and saddle them with a lack of confidence and inferiority which in turn affects their progress to senior level. Sack Givens and get a decent underage coach who has his finger on the pulse and not some 70's leftover still rooted in the bad old days of FAI mismanagement!

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

would be interesting to compare his record to that of the u21s from a country of similar football stature. id say it doesnt compare too badly to be honest. only the big countrys such as england, italy, germany etc excel at u21 level as they can afford to leave their better young players with the u21s rather than fast tracking them to the senior team. another easy target for Irish football fans i think

to compare them to our other underage teams is unfair as they dont have to compete with the senior team for use of players

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Which U21 players have been fast tracked to the seniors?

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

Which U21 players have been fast tracked to the seniors?

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McShane, Stokes, McGeady, Ireland, Long, J.O'Brien, Gibson, Keogh... off the top of my head.

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

Which U21 players have been fast tracked to the seniors?

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Duff, Dunne, Robbie Keane have a handful of U-21 caps between them, I'd be shocked if their combined total got into double figures

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Duff, Dunne, Robbie Keane have a handful of U-21 caps between them, I'd be shocked if their combined total got into double figures

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Even allowing for losing these and other key players, here's Givens' record with the 'Golden Generation' of players that won medals under Kerr.

2000: Pld: 08 - W: 2; D: 0; L: 6
2001: Pld: 05 - W: 2; D: 1; L: 2
2002: Pld: 04 - W: 1; D: 0; L: 3
2003: Pld: 08 - W: 2; D: 2; L: 4


He's done more to p!ss players off than bring them through to the senior squad during his 8 years in the job.

And if you want to compare our most recent results to those of similar football nations...

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/und...ngs/index.html



Looks like the Don has a job for life now after, eventually, landing Trappattoni (despite the FAI going behind his back to approach Trap - his ulimate contribution to the process seems to be going for a nice meal with Trap, Ray and Don Eile).

Tardelli has an excellent record with the Italian U-21s - if the process wasn't hamstrung by a conflict of interests this should have been part of the deal for his involvement with Ireland.

lads givens will always have a job from the FAI , the amount of capital he has made due to the "trap" coup will see him right for along time...