Trapatonni and the Eircom League

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14/02/2008, 12:10 AM
finnpark

Trapatonni and the Eircom League

The current International selection options are running small especially in defense. Does anyone think that some LOI players are better than current Irish Internationals such as Wayne Henherson, Joe Murphy, Paul McShane, Liam Miller, Joey O'Brien etc.

Personally I think Bohs' keeper Murphy should be in there, in fact I think that there are 2-3 goalkeepers in the eircom league better than current options at International level

Perhaps Graham Gartland in defence and Shane Robinson at right midfield. These players can perform so why not?
14/02/2008, 12:22 AM
A face

Not a chance, he probably wont ever be in the country except for home games. All his work will be in England. Don't anyone get their hopes up here at all, don't even dream of it. There wont be a Jason Byrne or Joe Gamble while he is in charge. We may as well get used to it.
14/02/2008, 12:30 AM
niallsparky

He was quoted recently as saying something along the lines of "a lot of Ireland players play in England why? Why not Ireland?"

Not sure what you can read into that though...
14/02/2008, 12:49 AM
sullanefc

Well goalkeeper is definitely a position where I feel the eL is stronger than UK bar Shay Given. I can't see too many other positions on the team though. Joe Gamble is as close there is to an international outfield player in the eL IMO.
14/02/2008, 12:58 AM
finnpark

Quote:

Originally Posted by niallsparky

He was quoted recently as saying something along the lines of "a lot of Ireland players play in England why? Why not Ireland?"

Not sure what you can read into that though...

He was referring to qualifying. Why can't Ireland qualify as most of their players play in England. That is what he was trying to say
14/02/2008, 1:15 AM
sullanefc

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnpark

He was referring to qualifying. Why can't Ireland qualify as most of their players play in England. That is what he was trying to say

I would take that interpretation too.
14/02/2008, 7:54 AM
Poor Student

Quote:

Originally Posted by niallsparky

He was quoted recently as saying something along the lines of "a lot of Ireland players play in England why? Why not Ireland?"

Not sure what you can read into that though...

I think he said England feel they can qualify, Ireland's players play in England so why can't we feel we can qualify.
14/02/2008, 8:12 AM
jebus

Quote:

Originally Posted by sullanefc

Well goalkeeper is definitely a position where I feel the eL is stronger than UK bar Shay Given.

Who? Which EL keepers are better than say Paddy Kenny or Colin Doyle even? Keep in mind that decent keepers are in short enough supply in the Premier and Championship, so obviously their scouts haven't thought much of eL keepers, and please leave the Eircom League tubthumping at the door
14/02/2008, 8:29 AM
WoodquayBoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by jebus

Who? Which EL keepers are better than say Paddy Kenny or Colin Doyle even? Keep in mind that decent keepers are in short enough supply in the Premier and Championship, so obviously their scouts haven't thought much of eL keepers, and please leave the Eircom League tubthumping at the door

God forgive me but I agree with Jebus, Doyle and Kenny far superior to 'the' quality LOI keepers, the two Murphys
14/02/2008, 8:43 AM
finnpark

Quote:

Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

God forgive me but I agree with Jebus, Doyle and Kenny far superior to 'the' quality LOI keepers, the two Murphys

I don't agree. Doyle was making blooper after blooper before being dropped and Kenny is retired from International football as far as I know.
14/02/2008, 8:47 AM
Block G Raptor

Quote:

Originally Posted by niallsparky

He was quoted recently as saying something along the lines of "a lot of Ireland players play in England why? Why not Ireland?"

Not sure what you can read into that though...

You mis-interpreted that(not that hard I know)

what he actually said was "a lot of Ireland players play in England, England think they can win why not Ireland?"
14/02/2008, 10:32 AM
McShels

Lads we dont know what set up Trappatoni will have, what if for arguments sake Bradys role was to watch players in the EL and those playing in england who maybe knocking on the door of a call up to the senior squad or he may look for someone within the EL to look at players who may make the step up to international football.

Its far too early to be speculating on this issue
14/02/2008, 10:46 AM
DmanDmythDledge

Quote:

Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

God forgive me but I agree with Jebus, Doyle and Kenny far superior to 'the' quality LOI keepers, the two Murphys

Doyle couldn't get his game ahead of Quigley for the U21s and he isn't the best keeper in the eircom League.
14/02/2008, 10:50 AM
Steve Bruce

When I seen Trappatonni took the Ireland job, I had a few thoughts

1) Great acquisition from FAI, Big name coach.
2) Where is the money coming from(which I now know)
3) That is the end of Eircom League players breaking into the international side. Well at least it�ll be a hell of a lot harder

There are many talented players in the LOI, but the overall standard of the LOI is well below international standards. This isn�t me knocking LOI, I am just saying it as I see it.

For any player in the LOI to make the step up to International level, is a big ask. Whilst their might be some players good enough in ability, they need to be playing in the higher reaches of English football or equivalent so they can get used to the quicker pace (both physically and mentally), playing with players of greater ability etc.

It is very very unlikely Traps is going to watch LOI footballers because inspite of recent strides forward being made by the LOI, the league is still seen as a minor, insignificant low standard league, in world terms. Hell even on this island the Irish League and the LOI are seen as minor, insignificant low standard leagues and whilst people who go to the games know different, that the standard is decent. The perceived standard of the leagues is very poor. Anyway, getting off topic a bit.

I just think for LOI players, this is a kick in the klinkers for them as they will surely think that the only way to break into the international team is by plying their trade across the water.
14/02/2008, 10:50 AM
jebus

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnpark

I don't agree. Doyle was making blooper after blooper before being dropped and Kenny is retired from International football as far as I know.

Doyle was making blooper after blooper (after having a fine spell before that I might add) in a vastly superior league, with vastly superior players. Is Kenny fully retired? In either case they were just names picked from a hat, Graham Stack for example would be a superstar in this league and would be above the standard of any eL keeper
14/02/2008, 10:51 AM
Schumi

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnpark

Does anyone think that some LOI players are better than current Irish Internationals such as Wayne Henherson, Joe Murphy, Paul McShane, Liam Miller, Joey O'Brien etc.

Not really tbh. None of those players are anything special but they're still better than the EL equivalents. Maybe Murphy from Bohs might have a shot at the third keeper place in a 23 man squad but that's the height of it really.
14/02/2008, 11:47 AM
back of the net

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnpark

The current International selection options are running small especially in defense. Does anyone think that some LOI players are better than current Irish Internationals such as Wayne Henherson, Joe Murphy, Paul McShane, Liam Miller, Joey O'Brien etc.

Personally I think Bohs' keeper Murphy should be in there, in fact I think that there are 2-3 goalkeepers in the eircom league better than current options at International level

Perhaps Graham Gartland in defence and Shane Robinson at right midfield. These players can perform so why not?

get a grip - all his work and squads will be with english based players - he said yday in his press conference of his huge respect for the premiership

The EL will not get a look in under his reign
14/02/2008, 12:03 PM
sullanefc

Quote:

Originally Posted by jebus

Who? Which EL keepers are better than say Paddy Kenny or Colin Doyle even? Keep in mind that decent keepers are in short enough supply in the Premier and Championship, so obviously their scouts haven't thought much of eL keepers, and please leave the Eircom League tubthumping at the door

Murphy & Quigley. Doyle is rubbish. And did you see Paddy Kenny in Cyprus??:D
14/02/2008, 12:17 PM
half_full

Not a chance unfortunatley, but there are plenty of LoI players up to the standard.
14/02/2008, 12:17 PM
Wangball

Am I correct in saying that Quigley & Murphy both had a craic at the "big time" in England and came back???

Stack, Doyle, Kenny, Supple, Randolph, Henderson, Joe Murphy - all of these lads are better keepers than whats knocking about the EL right now

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