Because the 17 month was crying while he was trying to watch TV
Maybe if he wasn't watching so much TV he wouldn't have such messed up Ideas on the value of Human life. Hope they try him as an adult and melt the key
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Because the 17 month was crying while he was trying to watch TV
Maybe if he wasn't watching so much TV he wouldn't have such messed up Ideas on the value of Human life. Hope they try him as an adult and melt the key
No offence BGR, but you seem to be a likely candidate for these Fox-newsesque "society is gone to pieces, where are our values?" type stories.:ball:
Why, dare I ask should he be tried as an adult?
You can't beat a todler with a baseball bat now ..... PC gone mad
Firstly it doesn't say anything about society gone to pieces in the actual article it was solely my opinion. I think he should be tried as an adult as if he's not he'll be in a young offenders center for a couple of years and that'll be it. I think his crime deserves more punishmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
He's only 12 years old. There's no way he should be tried as an adult. He just wanted the kid to shut up, I don't think he really understood what killing the child meant.
It's all TVs fault :eek: :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
What next Block G, a crusade against the evils of the internet?? :rolleyes:
Just an idea but who in there right mind would leave there 12 year old son babysit two children while they headed out shopping or out socialising,in my opinion the parents have let down all three kids in this case,and as for trying him as an adult shouldnt the parents face some charges as well i.e child neglect,child abondement?:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
Obviously it's not TV's fault, but you have to ask yourself is there not something wrong that when something is so all consuming that someone would kill a family member to enable himself to enjoy it uninterrupted. Scary, very very, scaryQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Block G, why do you think the law makes distinctions between crimes committed by adults and crimes committed by juveniles?
I know where you're coming from, but come on these days some 12 year old's are drinking, doing drug's, having Sex. My 8 year old step daughter would have a fair concept of what death is, at 12 I'd expect most people to fully understand "If you beat your baby brother with a baseball bat he will die, and when he's dead that means he's not coming back ever"Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
I understand that Osarasan. but where do you draw the line? In this country you've to be 16 before you can be charged with most crimes and yet we have 14/15 year old's running amok with impunity because they know they are "untouchable". I know some teenagers that are as mature as your average twentysomething and some so called adults that are as about as mature as a box of tissues. there should be some kind of assessment made as to whether a minor is mature enough to understand what they are doing and be tried accordinglyQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Something wrong with the way the child was reared maybeQuote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
Jesus WeptQuote:
Scary, very very, scary
Are you serious
Obviously he was reared in front of a TV setQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
And that's the TVs fault??Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
Where did I ever say it was TV's Fault
NowhereQuote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
But your insinuation here:
that TV was somehow responsible for his behaviour as opposed to, I don't know, his parents or someone similar, is frankly laughableQuote:
Maybe if he wasn't watching so much TV he wouldn't have such messed up Ideas on the value of Human life
You didn't mention this when you said you hope "they try him as an adult and melt the key."Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
True I didn't, Knee Jerk reaction I suppose. should have said they should do a psychological/Maturity evaluation and then try him based on the findingsQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
and if he is as mature as your average twelve year old then that would satisfy me that he knew precisely what he was doing and should be duly tried as such
TV is not directly responsible for his actions, although chances are his parents Idea of how to rear a child is plonk them in front of a TV to shut them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
The point I was making was that TV had become so important to this child that he was prepared to kill so as not to have his enjoyment spoiled, for me that sounds like a serious obsession
perhaps "should have said they should do a psychological/Maturity evaluation and then try him according to the results of the psychological/maturity evaluation" would be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
(Unless you've already made up your mind on the issue without having enough information to make a fair decision)
Practical impossibility really though isn't it? For one thing, if the kid is mature enough to appreciate the repercussions of his actions then he'll realise he needs to lie when assessed. Also, what parent/teacher/football coach could reasonably say that they knew that kid was not alone pure evil but knew precisely the depravity of his actions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
In other words I don't think there's much tinkering you can do with the law, and so we look to broader society to help... :( ie it's probably best not to think about it!
But anyway, I have done so the odd dreary Tuesday evening in November, alone, in a cold, dark room and generally have come to the realisation that the school system desperately lacks a 'life preparation, moral-teaching' string to its out of tune bow. Of course that would never stop accidents like this one, but would definitely ameliorate society as a whole. But I suppose that belongs more in the 'your ideal school system' thread, which I plaintively urge you to open. :)
Yep, I blame the parentsQuote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
Well D'uhQuote:
The point I was making was that TV had become so important to this child that he was prepared to kill so as not to have his enjoyment spoiled, for me that sounds like a serious obsession
But IMO with this bit here:
And this bit here:Quote:
Maybe if he wasn't watching so much TV he wouldn't have such messed up Ideas on the value of Human life.
You were trying to attach unfair blame to the "Evils of Television" ala (irony alert) the shock jocks on Sky News and the likeQuote:
you have to ask yourself is there not something wrong that when something is so all consuming that someone would kill a family member to enable himself to enjoy it uninterrupted.