Terracing

Don't know if this has come up here before but with so many clubs trying to build new grounds, or at least renevateold ones, isn't it now time for LOI sides to look into safe terrracing like they have in Germany? If there is one advantage we have over the Premiership it is the atmosphere you get where people can stand wherever they want. What we don't want is a situation where you have allocated seating like in the premiership.
There is no reason that you can't have the best of both worlds though. If our boards want to be corporate w__res then let them but leave something for the real fans. New grounds at least could easilly accomodae a corporate section (Let them eat prawns!) and family areas as well as leaving something for the real fans. You can't beat the atmosphere of being on a tightly packed terrace.

Opinions?

I know it only applies to a few clubs but for European matches you can only sell tickets for the seats. People always stand together in the seated areas anyway.... apart from in Sligo where you are told to sit down on be thrown out

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by derrymac

I know it only applies to a few clubs but for European matches you can only sell tickets for the seats. People always stand together in the seated areas anyway.... apart from in Sligo where you are told to sit down on be thrown out

---

In Germany though they have special seating that slides accross (I think) for Euro games).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Don't know if this has come up here before but with so many clubs trying to build new grounds, or at least renevateold ones, isn't it now time for LOI sides to look into safe terrracing like they have in Germany? If there is one advantage we have over the Premiership it is the atmosphere you get where people can stand wherever they want. What we don't want is a situation where you have allocated seating like in the premiership.
There is no reason that you can't have the best of both worlds though. If our boards want to be corporate w__res then let them but leave something for the real fans. New grounds at least could easilly accomodae a corporate section (Let them eat prawns!) and family areas as well as leaving something for the real fans. You can't beat the atmosphere of being on a tightly packed terrace.

Opinions?

---

Indeed BP, but it seems more clubs are trying to move towards the all-seater stadia rather than some terracing. I sit at matches but I still like a bit of terracing at times and the atmosphere at times was unreal, ie."The Jungle", "The Shed" etc..We are making the Brandywell all-seater, 10,000 or so, here's a pic of Shrewsbury's who we are basing the same as their ground

http://www.newmeadow.com/spgm/gal/aerial_jul07/08.jpg


It looks pretty impressive and ours will look the same. I think more clubs want to modernise their grounds and leave terracing behind.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by City till I Die

It looks pretty impressive and ours will look the same. I think more clubs want to modernise their grounds and leave terracing behind.

---

Yeah I like the New Meadow that it is not one of these soul less bowl type stadia but I still think you can have modern and terracing in the same stadia - which is why I used the German example.

Recent Gaurdian article:
Lets make a stand

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Yeah I like the New Meadow that it is not one of these soul less bowl type stadia but I still think you can have modern and terracing in the same stadia - which is why I used the German example.

Recent Gaurdian article:
Lets make a stand

---

the german terracing is also safer than seats, if people want to stand give them an area to stand in instead of them having to stand in seated areas resulting in injuries from people falling over seats when teams score and seats getting etc. it also would help seperate the rowdy/noisey fans away from familes etc. Ive seen the german terracing and it is alot safer and more modern than the crappy plastic seats you get in Ireland/england. I still prefer the italian method though, get a terrace and nail planks of wood or bits of plastic to it and number them for seats :)

A bit of concrete either side of the Donie Forde would do the job imo.
There's currently a bill being drafted for the Commons to conditionally allow terraces back in the Premier and Champion ships.

In odense, they have a practically all seater stadium with the corners left open for terracing (on the same size steps etc as the seats). The away end also has a standing area. It doens't detract from the look of the venue.

The German thing might be ideal but our clubs are broke and obviously can't afford top of the range grounds. Oh and "real football fans" will always have a place but there's less than a 1,000 of them at each ground. The rest of the crowd, and those who don't go, prefer to sit.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by derrymac

I know it only applies to a few clubs but for European matches you can only sell tickets for the seats. People always stand together in the seated areas anyway.... apart from in Sligo where you are told to sit down on be thrown out

---

We'll have a big crowd for our game saturday week so ye can all go behind the goal then where there are no seats;)

I love terracing. It's so much better for atmosphere. I think the best atmosphere we ever got going was at the 2005 Cup Semi in Drogs when they were a couple of hundred Bray fans cramped into that small away stand.

I think the German grounds have the terraces down to a tee. They are pretty big and some of those clubs easily have the best atmosphere in Europe, especially Schalke and Bochum. Definitely something that should be looked into.

ah some joined up thinking, unfortunitly it would require a brave move and some smarts by the fai and i cant see that happening we will follow the fifa line of all seating as the way forward

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/sports_talk/1710431.stm

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by passerrby

ah some joined up thinking, unfortunitly it would require a brave move and some smarts by the fai and i cant see that happening we will follow the fifa line of all seating as the way forward

---

I think that the 1st time anyone on here has vere out smart & FAI on the same sentance

I don't this is a big issue as its not as if we need the extra capacity that terracing provides. The only sold out domestic game I can remember is Cork v Derry City on last day of 2005. I think sold out games are very uncommon.

http://www.footballgroundz.co.uk/pictures/rushden1.jpg

Rushden & Diamonds have a blinding ground, 3 sides all seated with a terrace behind 1 goal, it's like a mini Premier League ground with unbelievable facilities.

The terrace is great, I prefer to stand watching football and it's becoming less and less possible to do it.

I know from a DCFC point of view the additional cost of "safe standing" is why we probably won't be pursuing it, if and when, we move forward

i used to live in Dortmund and their south terrace was amazing for a league game and easily converted to half capacity when seated for EUropean or FIFA games. The seats were fold down sturdy metal integrated into the barriers.

I'm all for that approach. At the Setanta Cup final this year I was dying to get up on me feet and properly cheer the lads on but because we were in an all seater stand the less partisan fans wanted us to "sit down - you're ruining it for everyone".

so we moved seats - stood and cheered and that was fine but I wouldn't like to see a situation where all seated became the norm. You need to be standing to get the atmosphere going. Been to premiership all seater games and they do not come close the atmosphere in Dortmund and other major terraced venues. Same thing applies on the smaller (but no less important) scale of our own league

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cupcakes

Hopefully we can follow the improvements to English soccer since they introduced all seater stadia

---

Thats if you think English football has improved.

How many sports channels were broadcast back then? Go figure

what the greyhound board has done here is legend and maybe there's room for that in the eLoI product and if so, great! More fans, more revenues etc. etc.

we're at a completely different stage to the english game - just look at rushden and diamonds stadium. Their football standard wouldn't come close but their facilities are amazing. Sometimes I'd hesitate to use the word stadium in connection with an eLoI ground cos they aren't integrated facilities just a collection of places to stand or sit around a pitch.

What I'd love to see is somethin like the grey hound effort on one of the long sides for your prawn sandwich types etc. all seater on opposite long side - away fans in short end all seater (to stifle their chances of creating and atmos) and a terrace behind opposite goal for home fans. you still get 3/4 for Euro games or put in safe standing.

Just another point on the prawn sandwich types and again to look at Borussia Dortmund. They force their corporate patrons into their seats for the game. There are no boxes just a communal area within one stand where companies sponsor a standing table to lean against with your beer. Borussia are all about the football - there's room for more than one way of doing a stadium or increasing revenues