War

Could it really be that the yanks are getting a bit of a battering?
Obviously they're eventually going to topple Baghdad but i reckon their casualties on the propaganda box could just be the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
There seemed to be mixed signals after that bomber was downed yesterday.
The uk and us seemed to have different explanations.
They're hiding a lot of the not too romantic truths.
Its hard to describe how ya feel when ya see killed 'ally' soldiers.
You know the pictures are gonna be used to motivate soldiers for more deaths.
You know there's so many similar iraqis lying dead undocumented.
But it still fails to detract from the absolute horror and pointlessness of it all and how unnecessary, the soldiers death is.
Sad times.

What I find hilarious is the amount of their own men the yanks and brit sh1ts are killing. The peak of military? Says it all really... :rolleyes:

gee, hilarious. Death...what a riot.

Grow up.

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Originally posted by Kickeroo
gee, hilarious. Death...what a riot.

Grow up.

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Sorry. Forget hilarious then. Deserved maybe? The war is wrong but you're too gullible to see that your unelected president is using it as an excuse to put a smoke screen in front of people like you. I feel for every innocent civilian who dies in this war and even for the Iraqi soldiers who dies while defending their homeland from invasion. The invaders themselves deserve nothing but contempt.

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Originally posted by sadloserkid
...and even for the Iraqi soldiers who dies while defending their homeland from invasion. The invaders themselves deserve nothing but contempt.

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Bit of a sad opinion you got there.

Clearly the US was not going to openly admit a pilot was missing over Iraq. It would not have served the pilot any purpose for the US to basically admit to the Iraqis that their search is not in vain.

btw i'd always expect Sky to eat up the propanda on the US/Uk side but been a bit disappointed that the BBC not far off the SKy policy - seems the only palce to get independent views is in the print media...

To be fair, i'd trust Raidio Teilifis Eireann for the oul war coverage alright.

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Originally posted by pete
Bit of a sad opinion you got there.

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Care to substantiate? I believe that the yank/brit invasion of Iraq is wrong. I believe that every one of their soldiers is wrong. I find it very, very difficult to display sympathy for people who wouldn't have died had they not been invading another country against the wishes of not only the UN but in the case of the brits their own populace.

'Bad Karma follows you around' - great song.

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Originally posted by sadloserkid
Sorry. Forget hilarious then. Deserved maybe? The war is wrong but you're too gullible to see that your unelected president is using it as an excuse to put a smoke screen in front of people like you. I feel for every innocent civilian who dies in this war and even for the Iraqi soldiers who dies while defending their homeland from invasion. The invaders themselves deserve nothing but contempt.

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Actually I don't mean that literally. Nobody should die in a war and my coments above were rather insensitive. I apologise for them. However I'm pleased that in addition to not having it all their own way the Yanks are sportingly doing their bit to even up the odds.

Finally I just can not believe that after all this time Conor has finally expressed an opinion on something! ;)

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Originally posted by sadloserkid
However I'm pleased that in addition to not having it all their own way the Yanks are sportingly doing their bit to even up the odds.

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What do ya mean?
Shooting themselves down?

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Originally posted by Badweather Fan
What do ya mean?
Shooting themselves down?

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Er... yeah... basically... :o Oh I'm going straight to hell... I just find it peculiar that what is allegedly the finest military body on our planet seem just as busy crashing helicoptors in mid-air and shooting journalists as they do butchering Iraqis (innocent or otherwise).

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Originally posted by sadloserkid
Oh I'm going straight to hell

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No, you're not.
You're mocking people on the way down.
Did they shoot that itn fella?

It's presumed they did yeah. And to me that's much sadder than any soldier dying. Whatever about soldiers on either side, there's no way he should have died out there.

They're always hanging out of speeding vans getting the best photos of the people shooting at them.
The real story.
Which is not what we're getting at the moment.
The truth, the whole truth + Pentagon briefings.

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Originally posted by sadloserkid
It's presumed they did yeah.

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Yeah, it was so called 'friendly fire'; a truly awful phrase.

Ya sickening use of words.
Friendly fire and
Collateral damage.
Our (hippy) french lecturer blew her only hour of the week, Friday condemning words based on violence.
"having a stab at goal"
"photo shoot"

Is looking at the death US or UK soldiers fleefully any better than People cheering at missles hitting Iraq? Soldiers do not decide to engage in war, they just doing their job although it happens to involve killing people.

The war is unjust, possibly immoral & certainly illegal.

As i may have said here before you can be sure the US would not be engaged in this war if they knew beforehand their casualties (i.e. deaths) would be in the thousands as opposed to the hundreds. Approx 100k Iraq deaths as opposed to 100-150 coalition deaths in GWI is a telling statistic.

btw just to drag Conor back in but IMO the irish governments position (..do they have one?) with regards Shannon & the US military has been shameful. Hoe the hell is withdrawing military landing rights at Shannon a hostile act towards the US? Is dubya gonna tell Micheal Dell or Intel to poull out of Ireland?

:rolleyes:

They're all selfish motives though Conor.
They're all easy way out non-decisions.

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Originally posted by Conor74
And we can put ourselves on the periphery in terms of world affairs and isolate ourselves from the US but it will not make one jot of difference to Iraq lives.

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But it would be right and that's more important.

Yeah but Conor surely we should be trying to make our government the best in Western Europe rather than saying "We've achieved mediocrity! Score! Let's take the next generation or so offf..."?

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Originally posted by Conor74
biased neutrality.

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That's a pretty sick concept... Roy Keane would never hear of such a thing!!! :D