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As there's been a few discussions on here recently regarding relative standard of EL versus Welsh league, some may be interested to hear the Welsh Cup Final is live on S4C this Sunday.
For those with ROI Sky, it's Channel 135. Starts 4pm.
Afan Lido v Carmarthen.
Also- don't forget Irish Cup Final on the beeb the day before....
Do Wrexham/Swansea/Cardiff still enter the welsh cup at the quater finals or something? Or has Football Manager lied to me all these years? Surprised one of them hasn't made it to the final.
No. They are effectiovely barred from the tournament due to crafty shenanigans by the Welsh FA. They always ensure the earlier rounds of the Welsh FA Cup are on the same day as the earlier rounds of the English FA Cup. And as the rules of the Welsh Cup state that you must play your best team, they force the exiles to prioritise the English cup over the Welsh. Which is what the Welsh FA want them to do - to avoid the hassle of having one of them win it and then technically be in a position to be nominated for Europe (which the Welsh FA would refuse to do).Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
There is a Welsh Super Cup that includes the exiles as well as the locals. That wa splayed about 6 weeks ago.
thats probably what i'm thinking of. nice wording by the way, "exiles", given your own situation :D won't be able to watch it but would be interested in an eL fan's perspective. I know Cymro posts here but not sure that he's seen the eLQuote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
The Welsh Clubs that play in England are commonly known as "the exiles".Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
Newport County even changed their nickname to 'The Exiles' back when they helped fight-off Welsh FA action against them for not joining the new Welsh league in the early 90's.
I'd imagine that there won't be many in Longford wanting to watch that.
I agree with this, if the do called "exiles" think there too good for the welsh league then they shouldn't be allowed to play in the cup just because they think it a gaurnteed U.E.F.A. place.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
I'd be delighted to see it actually, see how Neil, Kev, Terry, Tony and the boys are getting on :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
I don't think the Welsh leagues standard is similar to most in the IL so they would be slightly behind the LOI.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Although the crowds are far worse than both the IL and LOI.
The Welsh FA Cup used to be a bit of a joke. For years they invited English teams to play in it. Shrewsbury won it twice in the 70s and twice in the 80s, Hereford won it in 1990, neither team could play in the Cup Winners Cup though, that honour went to the cup runners up. Think they changed the rules in the early 90s to allow only Welsh teams in it.
I know most of you will probably regard this as an 'excuse' of sorts, but one of the sides finished 7th in our league while the other is 5th in Divison One South.
So if you are out to compare standards, it's all relative to where they finished in the league. Think of it as an FAI Cup final featuring Waterford and Kilkenny City, or something like that.
Have fun watching. :)
Gavin-saw your cup final last year. Going solely on that I'd say it's a fair bit ahead of the likes of Carmarthen Town and Afan Lido (the two teams playing on Sunday) but not so far ahead of the top 3/4 teams in the Welsh Premier.
Oh, by the way, as a part-time Port Talbot fan, it's my duty to support anyone Afan Lido play against, and being a division One side Afan could embarras us a bit in Europe should they win. So I'm hoping for a Carmarthen Town victory.
PS: this should be moved to 'World Football'.
That's the FAW Premier Cup you're referring to. We enter that at the quarter-finals every year along with the winners of the Welsh Premier.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
It has no European place, but carries a winners cheque of £100,000.
The welsh Cup is a different competition that only invlolves clubs from the Welsh football pyramid and not those who play in the English leagues. It decides one of our UEFA Cup reps.
You're wrong there. The reason we don't compete in it is because UEFA officially barred us from doing so while we play in England. The FAW Premier Cup is an invitational competition with no European place, so UEFA cannot stop us competing in that, though inevitably that cup then becomes rather low on our list of priorities.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
The FAW actually wants us to compete in the Welsh Cup, to improve our UEFA coefficient.
Anyone know where is this final being played?
I'm sorry Cymro. What I recounted above came directly from the mouth of the FA of Wales President who set-up the Welsh Premier league and made the changes to the FAW Cup (Alun Evans) mentioend above. No disrespect - but I suspect he should know a bit better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
Also - UEFA can't tell the Welsh FA what clubs it should and shouldn't have competing in its cup. That's not what UEFA does, and it would be illegal under EU law to prevent Welsh clubs playing in Wales from competign in a Welsh Cup if they wanted to do so. Hence why they've had to resort to shenanigans regarding timings of early rounds. If you think this is wrong, speak to Alun Evans.
Who's us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
It's being played at Stebonheath Park, Llanelli's home groundQuote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
So Derry City could compete in the Irish Cup if they want to? I'm not being arguementative, it is a genuine question I don't know the answer to.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
It's a bit less straight-forward than that, but technically yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bruce
You can't prevent one 'business' based in one part of the EU from competing in the other - even in sport - so long as its done in-accordance with your normal rules. Usually, requirement to be based in the jurisdiction you want to compete in is suffice to, for example, stop Rangers playing in the English FA Cup.
As City are in the IFA jurisdiction, and as I believe the only requisits to competing in the Irish Cup are to be locally based and to qualify, then we would have a case to be entered into it if we wanted (though it's be a tad complicated). Just like the Welsh clubs based in Wales but playing elsewhere would have a case for playing in the Welsh Cup if they realy, really wanted to.
I'd say there's more chance of Linfield entering the FAI Cup than us entering the IFA version though....!
Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham, Newport County, Merthyr Tydfil and Colwyn Bay, of which Swansea the club I support are obviously part of.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans