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whats the stroy next year - do the winners of 1st Division have to meet certain criteria to get into premier div? in scotland livingstone i think had to play in aberdeen for 3 months while their ground was brought up to spec - are we looking at the same scenario here?
I'd imagine they will have to have a premier license
1st Division winners promoted as long as they get a premier licence with last in premier going down
I think 2nd and 3rd in 1st Divison play each other in a playoff semi with the winners playing 2nd last in premier in a playoff final
(need someone to confirm about playoffs not 100%sure)
Thanks to danny on the Pats MB
Merger Proposals
2007
12 team premier, 10 team 1st division
Season starts w/e 11th March
33 games (play each other 3 times)
1 promoted + 1 relegated
+ Playoff winners
Playoff details
2nd in 1st div v 3rd in 1st div - 1 off game
Winner v 11th in Prem - Home / Away
Winner gets into prem
2008
12 team premier, 10 team 1st division
33 games (play each other 3 times)
1 promoted + 3 relegated
2009
10 team premier, 12 team 1st division
36 games (play each other 4 times)
1 promoted + 1 relegate
+ Playoff winners
Playoff details
8th in prem v 9th in prem - 1 off game
2nd in 1st div v 3rd in 1st div - 1 off game
2 winners playoff - Home / Away
Winner gets into prem
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Originally Posted by Dodge
The gas part is Danny decided this whole process, and I'm not even kidding - a conversation with The Laney at the Mank derby apparently
so down to 10 team premier eventually.......interesting......all in the name of competitivness no doubt.....
When is the third tier coming in?
Bear in mind also that the 2008 Premier Division License (until the FAI change their mind) is the new UEFA v2 license which all the clubs competing in next years European tournaments will have to comply with. This is a higher standard than the current license, which is itself a lower standard than the current UEFA license v1.
I can see promotion being a lot harder to obtain going forward.
What are the major obvious differences?Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
I would like to see the bar raised now in terms of promotion into the Premier division. Like it or not we have 12 teams in this new division but I think in the future we should have minimum standards for entry into the top league and award the clubs in the 1st Division who meet that standard.
If 1st is not good enough keep on going down the league... even if its 5th or 6th that end up promoted it's better to have all th teams in the top league playing in decent stadiums and being run properly than to have teams going for broke in order to get promoted.
If they know its going to do them no good if they don't have their house in order they are less likely to spend everything on players.
Same would apply to the Premier boys too but that one is harder to work out as they dont aim for anything other than europe and I can't see them being denied that that.
So spend nothing on players and everything on your stadium and still get promoted if you come 6th ahead of the team who actually tried to win the division? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
I haven't gone through the 257 pages!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Its on the UEFA website under the club licensing section (v2). It would appear that it includes a lot of additional criteria that national associations can choose to include as mandatory when they transpose it into their own rules.
The key for the FAI is to continue to raise the bar gradually season by season by making more and more of the requirements mandatory, obviously flagging this ahead of time well in advance.
Higgins, they did something similar in Scotland and had to go back on it as it created stagnation. Clubs could not meet the necessary Premier Division requirements on non-Premier budgets and couldn't afford to spend on bringing up the criteria without knowing where they would be next season. If you go far down the league and promote 4th, 5th, 6th placed teams for example, it'll be like tossing those clubs to the lions. They could have a season like Waterford this year and they'd probably be worse off.
We can't even begin to apply stadium criteria in Ireland until about 75% of the clubs are up to proper standard. The first year of licencing created a fiasco where only one club were good enough and the licencing had to be fudged.
Sorry, didn't realise it was that big.:oQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Sounds like pulling up the drawbridge once the select 10 are safely in
Bingo!Quote:
Originally Posted by monutdfc
That's about the size of it. Despicable, to coin a phrase. Maybe they'll disregard next season's league table/cup results and select four European representatives on the basis of historical records.Quote:
Originally Posted by monutdfc
In very simple terms from: http://www.uefa.com/uefa/Keytopics/k...Id=343256.html
New club licensing provisions
Wednesday, 21 September 2005
by Mark Chaplin from Rome
UEFA's Executive Committee has approved a new version of the UEFA Club Licensing Manual – which aims to give greater consistency and better explanations as part of the ambitious club licensing system introduced by UEFA at the start of last season.
Green light
At its meeting in Rome on Wednesday, UEFA's supreme executive body gave the green light to version 2.0 of the manual, which contains significant changes to sporting criteria, and the requirement of greater financial discipline for the financial area.
Medical examinations
Sporting changes include the obligation for all players to undergo medical examinations, following the sudden deaths in recent years of several professional players. Clubs will have to supply detailed budget information as part of a stricter financial approach within the system. UEFA says that all of the changes are for the UEFA financial year which closes at the end of June 2007. This means they must be implemented for the 2006/07 season.
Quality standards
UEFA's club licensing scheme is based on a series of defined quality standards, which must be fulfilled in order for a club to be admitted to any of the UEFA competitions. These minimum requirements cover the areas of sporting, infrastructure, personnel, administration, legal and financial matters.
All benefit
UEFA is of the opinion that the clubs, the fans, the sponsors and the media are the beneficiaries of this system, as a granted licence by the national association proves that a certain quality level is achieved. The European body feels that an important step for each side is to manage their finances properly and to spend only that money that they also earn. UEFA is entitled not to admit, or even to exclude clubs from playing in its competitions if they do not meet the requirements of the licensing system.
Stronger financial criteria
"There are certain areas, especially on the financial side, where there are stronger criteria than we have had before," said UEFA Chief Executive Lars-Christer Olsson. "The ambition with the entire system is to improve the clubs' financial capability, and to increase transparency and credibility. That means that we are asking for more information than we had before, such as information concerning budgets.
Incentive system
"We are also introducing an incentive system, which means that those clubs who have reported good financial conditions over a period of time will be able to give us less information for the coming years. We are concentrating more on those clubs where we know there are difficulties. We are asking for audited statements, and we have introduced strict deadlines in the system.
Information on major changes
"The clubs also have a duty to give information on major changes – so if you sack the coach, or a sponsor disappears, which might have a major impact on the financing of the clubs, they are now obliged under the new system to give this kind of information. This is important to make the proper evaluation of the financial capacity of the clubs."
System is working
"What is important to know is that the system is already working," added UEFA communications and public affairs director William Gaillard. "What we are doing now is to make the system simpler and more efficient, and at the same time stricter, in particular in the financial area, so that things become more transparent and clubs have to report back to us at fixed times during the year, no longer according to the financial year in their individual countries.
Simpler tools
"We will pay more attention to clubs in difficulties, over a period of several years. What does not change is that the national association will remain the licensor, but the tools will become simpler for them to use - and therefore quicker."
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This sounds more worrying for the likes of Shels than it does the little clubs. In all fairness it's where the focus should be these days, on the big overspending clubs.
I agree we now have 12 teams for new league & pointless to threaten court action & similar. I would like to see by the time the new 10 team league started that there be solid entry criteria so maintain the standards across all entrants.
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Originally Posted by holidaysong
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh
NO!
You run the risk of 1st 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th beating you to it...