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20/10/2006, 1:04 PM
an_ceannaire

Curious

Hi lads,
i just want to ask a question.
Are CliftoNville and DC the only "nationalist" if u will teams in the IL? What about Newry? Swifts? Cru's?
I read in Georgies Biog that when he was young he was a protestant who grew up supporting the mainly catholic Glens......but that cant be right?
Also, if Cliftonville/DC were to play Linfield or Glens in a cup final, who would the fans other the other big 2 team rather see win?
I am not asking this in a sectarian manner, please do not see it that way, but i will admit i have always been curious about this.
Thanks in advance lads.
20/10/2006, 1:14 PM
Not Brazil

What do you mean by "nationalist teams"?

Player composition?

Personally, I would want whoever plays the Glens in any Cup Final to beat them - and beat them good and proper.
20/10/2006, 1:45 PM
an_ceannaire

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i mean as in support base mate
Would u cheer for Cliffs/DC in a cup final against the glens??!!!
How many of the IL's teams would have a "nationalist" support base?
20/10/2006, 2:07 PM
David

Cliftonville, DC and Newry would have a mainly nationalist support base with quite a few others being mixed. As for supporting them teams against the Glens, every day of the week I would support whoever the Glens are playing.
20/10/2006, 2:13 PM
an_ceannaire

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just shows my ignorance and immaturity i guess lads, i just assumed that if One of the manily unionist support based teams ala Linfield, Glens, Ports, Cru's awere playing one of the mainly nationalist teams, ala DC or Cliffs that the Linfield lads would cheer for the Glens........can i ask ye, honestly, Setanta Cup Final, Glens V Cork, or Glens V Rovers!!!!! Who would ye like to lose the most lol :)
20/10/2006, 2:16 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by an_ceannaire

Would u cheer for Cliffs/DC in a cup final against the glens??!!!

From the rafters.

Some things in Northern Ireland are much more important than political/religious differences - seeing the Forever In Our Shadow XI humped is one such thing.

I love Boxing Day too.;)
20/10/2006, 2:18 PM
Not Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by an_ceannaire

can i ask ye, honestly, Setanta Cup Final, Glens V Cork, or Glens V Rovers!!!!! Who would ye like to lose the most lol :)

Now, your having a laugh.

The Glens in a Setanta Cup Final?:D
20/10/2006, 2:29 PM
an_ceannaire

come on "not brazil" and David, call it!
I am a shels fans so i know how horrible this prospect is, but Shamrock Rovers V Glentoran in an important match, who would you force ure self to support before puking ure ring up :)
20/10/2006, 2:53 PM
Not Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by an_ceannaire

come on "not brazil" and David, call it!
I am a shels fans so i know how horrible this prospect is, but Shamrock Rovers V Glentoran in an important match, who would you force ure self to support before puking ure ring up :)

A lot would depend on context.

For example, I wanted the Glens to beat Derry City in the Setanta last year, simply because it helped the Linfield cause. Thankfully, the Glens did us a big favour at The Oval.

That situation could be easily reversed, depending on circumstances.
20/10/2006, 7:07 PM
David

Quote:

Originally Posted by an_ceannaire

come on "not brazil" and David, call it!
I am a shels fans so i know how horrible this prospect is, but Shamrock Rovers V Glentoran in an important match, who would you force ure self to support before puking ure ring up :)

Shamrock Rovers v Glens in Setanta Cup Final? C'mon Rovers. Seriously, I have always said if the Glens were to play Celtic I would go out a buy a hooped shirt. :p
20/10/2006, 10:40 PM
sonofstan

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

From the rafters.

Some things in Northern Ireland are much more important than political/religious differences - seeing the Forever In Our Shadow XI humped is one such thing.

I love Boxing Day too.;)

See no one gets this - when you lot played Shels in the first Setanta final every Bohs fan bar none was up for Linfield, much to the disgust of all our Prem/ SPL supporting mates
21/10/2006, 2:16 AM
David

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofstan

See no one gets this - when you lot played Shels in the first Setanta final every Bohs fan bar none was up for Linfield, much to the disgust of all our Prem/ SPL supporting mates

This is something I find annoying. Some people think that everything in Northern Ireland is down to religion when most of us could not care less what religion someone is. I recall years ago talking to Wrexham supporters when we played them and our hatred of Glentoran baffled them. They just could not understand that it is on the same level as their hatred for Chester ie a football rivalry where religion is irrelevant.
21/10/2006, 8:59 AM
BleusAvantTout

Unless it benefits, Linfield I never want glenturn to win!! Most Bluemen would agree with me on that and if the shoe was on the other foot they would want us beaten.

You can see why they were in despair because of our Clean Sweep last season! :cool:
21/10/2006, 5:55 PM
Not Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofstan

See no one gets this - when you lot played Shels in the first Setanta final every Bohs fan bar none was up for Linfield, much to the disgust of all our Prem/ SPL supporting mates

Maybe something to do with the copious amount of Euros put into Boh's coffers by Bluemen in the Boh's Social Club before the game.;)
22/10/2006, 4:39 PM
holidaysong

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofstan

See no one gets this - when you lot played Shels in the first Setanta final every Bohs fan bar none was up for Linfield, much to the disgust of all our Prem/ SPL supporting mates

Linfield vs. Drogheda Utd in the Setanta Cup was a similar case for me.
23/10/2006, 10:48 AM
Dassa

supporting a small club myself when it comes to any games in the IL religion never comes into it,I will always support the underdog unless the result would have a detrimental effect for Loughgall. As for the Setanta I support the IL teams first and foremost but this is only to improve perception of the league my club play in.
23/10/2006, 10:55 AM
Dodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dassa

supporting a small club myself when it comes to any games in the IL religion never comes into it,I will always support the underdog unless the result would have a detrimental effect for Loughgall. As for the Setanta I support the IL teams first and foremost but this is only to improve perception of the league my club play in.

I support the IL teams in Setanta as I hate all the LOI clubs in it (so far)

Nearly wet myself laughing when Linfield destroyed Shels in Tolka last year
23/10/2006, 10:58 AM
Lossie Glens

I'm too young to remember, but according to my Granda and dad, the Glens used to have a mixed support. When my dad started going to matches in the early sixties, a lot of the guys he went with were Catholic. Obviously this has dwindled away due to the troubles etc.

When it comes to cup finals (Setanta included) or whatever, ANYONE BUT LINFIELD!

Like David and BAT have been saying, people get too hung up over the religious/policital thing. Most fans of the Glens and Blues would have similar views on these, but we still hate the sight of each other.
23/10/2006, 2:33 PM
Dassa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

I support the IL teams in Setanta as I hate all the LOI clubs in it (so far)

Nearly wet myself laughing when Linfield destroyed Shels in Tolka last year

that may be down to the fact that Shelbourne are your Dublin rivals, as of yet Armagh City havent played in the setanta cup yet and so the other IL clubs that compete in Setanta have little hatred from me. However supporting the IL teams automatically may change if Armagh city ever fluked it into setanta but cant see me havent to worry about that:)
23/10/2006, 3:25 PM
dcfcsteve

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lossie Glens

I'm too young to remember, but according to my Granda and dad, the Glens used to have a mixed support. When my dad started going to matches in the early sixties, a lot of the guys he went with were Catholic. Obviously this has dwindled away due to the troubles etc.

When it comes to cup finals (Setanta included) or whatever, ANYONE BUT LINFIELD!

Like David and BAT have been saying, people get too hung up over the religious/policital thing. Most fans of the Glens and Blues would have similar views on these, but we still hate the sight of each other.

Did the Glens-Blues rivalry exist prior to the demise of Belfast Celtic ? My reading of history is that the Celtic-Linfield one was the biggest show in town until 1948.

Until Cliftonville's support base changed dramatically in the 1970's, there wouldn't have been another Belfast 'nationalist' team for Linfield to have as bitter rivals any way.

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