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19/08/2006, 11:16 AM
pete

Dublin City farce
- Team get the results they played in removed.
- Teams that lost games get a reprieve.
- Shamrock Rovers get a 3 point ban as they did not know a player who earned a suspension with DC was due a ban.
- Teams that played Dublin City twice instead of only once are penalised because yellow & red cards earned in these games are not removed.
:confused: :confused:

How can any of this make sense? Points & goals scored in these non-existent games do not remain while yellow & red cards are kept???

The eL has a rule that clubs may not leave the league mid-season. Instead of criticism Ronan Seery gets praise for his efforts from Delaney!

:rolleyes:

(rant over)
19/08/2006, 11:20 AM
A face

info@fai.ie .... If they dont know you're p�ssed off then they wont do anything about it.
19/08/2006, 1:27 PM
Student Mullet
Quote:
Originally Posted by pete

Team get the results they played in removed.
Teams that lost games get a reprieve.
Shamrock Rovers get a 3 point ban as they did not know a player who earned a suspension with DC was due a ban.
Teams that played Dublin City twice instead of only once are penalised because yellow & red cards earned in these games are not removed.

:confused: :confused:

How can any of this make sense? Points & goals scored in these non-existent games do not remain while yellow & red cards are kept???

The eL has a rule that clubs may not leave the league mid-season. Instead of criticism Ronan Seery gets praise for his efforts from Delaney!

:rolleyes:

(rant over)
But players who were suspended for games against Dublin City don't have their suspension reinstated. These 2 cancel out.
19/08/2006, 1:41 PM
pete

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Originally Posted by Student Mullet

But players who were suspended for games against Dublin City don't have their suspension reinstated. These 2 cancel out.

Are you joking? What does that mean? How does that cancel out?

:confused: :rolleyes:
19/08/2006, 2:08 PM
Student Mullet

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Originally Posted by pete

Are you joking? What does that mean? How does that cancel out?

No, I'm not joking.

Suspensions were picked up against Dublin City and suspensions were served against Dublin City. Do you want a player who served a suspension a few months back to be suspended again because the game against DC never happened? The FAI had to pick and choose what aspects of DC's existance to expunge and on this point I think they chose correctly.
:confused: :rolleyes:
19/08/2006, 2:08 PM
A face

Quote:

Originally Posted by Student Mullet

But players who were suspended for games against Dublin City don't have their suspension reinstated. These 2 cancel out.

What say what now ??

I'm with Pete here, how does that cancel out ??
19/08/2006, 2:12 PM
A face

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Originally Posted by Student Mullet

No, I'm not joking.

Suspensions were picked up against Dublin City and suspensions were served against Dublin City. Do you want a player who served a suspension a few months back to be suspended again because the game against DC never happened? The FAI had to pick and choose what aspects of DC's existance to expunge and on this point I think they chose correctly.
:confused: :rolleyes:

Wha'cha mean suspend them again .... if they were suspended and are up again for one then surely they'd have one in credit, if y'know what i mean !!
19/08/2006, 2:20 PM
Student Mullet

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Originally Posted by A face

Wha'cha mean suspend them again .... if they were suspended and are up again for one then surely they'd have one in credit, if y'know what i mean !!

I don't quite know what you mean.

What I mean is that a player sent off in a game before his clubs DC game would have missed the DC game. If we expunge the DC game, do we expunge the fact that he served his suspension and make him serve it again? To do that would be silly, in my opinion.

If you're not expunging suspensions served I don't think you should expunge suspensions earned either, which would be much more difficult. Wasn't George O'Callaghan sent off aganst DC and he missed a few games? He can't go back in time to play in those games so how can you expunge that suspension?
19/08/2006, 2:57 PM
Stiof

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Originally Posted by robbiesdrogs

the league has turned into a farce yet again.nothing against derry but how can they get off when shamrock rovers dont.there has been more rows over admin errors in the last five years in the el than in my lifetime watching english football.

the clubs are going professional moving forward playing to a higher standard,yet the admin side of it just lets everyone down.no wonder people think our league is a joke:mad:

Derry got off cos we proved the eL didn't follow their own rules!
19/08/2006, 2:58 PM
pete

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Originally Posted by Student Mullet

If you're not expunging suspensions served I don't think you should expunge suspensions earned either, which would be much more difficult.

Well you cannot into the past so suspensions seved woulod have to stay.
At the moment Shiels is serving a suspension for games that effectively never existed.

Best solution:
- Results stand.
- Teams will receive walkovers for all future DC games. 3-0 for all these games.
- Any open suspensions stand.
- Remove any yellow or red cards earned in DC games. i.e. if players has 4 yellows he'll now have just 3 (assuming 1 earned in DC game).
- Goals stand

You either keep the DC records as much as possible or you remove the fact they ever existed.
19/08/2006, 4:00 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by pete

Well you cannot into the past so suspensions seved woulod have to stay.

At the moment Shiels is serving a suspension for games that effectively never existed.

- Remove any yellow or red cards earned in DC games. i.e. if players has 4 yellows he'll now have just 3 (assuming 1 earned in DC game).

Why pick and choose. If a player serves a suspension v Dublin City they should be made serve it again. if a player got sent off in a game v Dub City and served a suspension the club should claim compesation as forced to rest player by FAI.. :rolleyes:

The whole thing is a ****ing joke and the league have come at it half arsed. I agree with pete on nearly everything but why say cards shouldn't count?
19/08/2006, 5:35 PM
Mr A

To be honest, I think the league pretty much got it right on the Dublin City issue.

Results are gone, but actions of individual players aren't. Except they've taken the goals off players who scored for or against Dublin (which makes sense, sort of, as otherwise the goals scored by players wouldn't add up to the same as in the league table). Anyway, I think they were right to let suspensions stand and expunge the results.
19/08/2006, 5:53 PM
Sniffer

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Originally Posted by pete

- Remove any yellow or red cards earned in DC games. i.e. if players has 4 yellows he'll now have just 3 (assuming 1 earned in DC game).
- Goals stand

Cards are issued for actions, which exist! If Shiels or anyone had broken a player up with a reckless challenge while playing for CHF and was subsequently suspended would it make sense to you if the suspension were expunged from the record.
19/08/2006, 7:09 PM
Bald Student

I think the FAI should have healed any player who was injured against Dublin City.
19/08/2006, 7:53 PM
DmanDmythDledge

The main problem about Dublin City resigning from the league is that it has never happened that a team has resigned from the league in the middle of a season so there is no rules that cover this scenario, therefore allowing the league to do whatever they want. Furthermore resigning from the league is forbidden in the league rules so the league makes yet again another f�ck up.

The way I see it is that if Dublin City shouldn't have been allowed to resign from the league then technically they should still be in the league. They would be unable to fulfil their remaining fixtures so all matches would be awarded as a 3-0 win to the other team and all previous results would stand.
19/08/2006, 7:57 PM
sligoman

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

The way I see it is that if Dublin City shouldn't have been allowed to resign from the league then technically they should still be in the league. They would be unable to fulfil their remaining fixtures so all matches would be awarded as a 3-0 win to the other team and all previous results would stand.

No cos that would mean Waterford United would actually win a game then!:D.
19/08/2006, 8:02 PM
Mr A

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I think the FAI should have healed any player who was injured against Dublin City.

Now you're talking!

And any gate money received in a game against Dublin must be returned to those who paid in.

And every season ticket holder at every premier club should receive a partial refund as they're getting to see less games than they paid for.

Maybe we should just call it quits and start this season again.
19/08/2006, 8:07 PM
Bald Student

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Originally Posted by Galway Harps

Now you're talking!

And any gate money received in a game against Dublin must be returned to those who paid in.

And every season ticket holder at every premier club should receive a partial refund as they're getting to see less games than they paid for.

Maybe we should just call it quits and start this season again.

Just wait a few weeks and we can start a winter season from scratch.
19/08/2006, 8:41 PM
Sheridan

Why bother completing a season at all? It would be far more economical to have the John Delaney Massive compile a league table based on Past, Current and Potential Marketability. Think of the savings clubs would make on wages! :eek:
20/08/2006, 12:27 AM
holidaysong

For once I think the FAI decision was spot on. :)

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