Roddy Collins : Clown of the highest order

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02/08/2006, 9:34 PM
A face

Roddy Collins : Clown of the highest order

I have to say he out done himself tonight.

eL should give up competing in UEFA Cup and Champions League and concentrate on Intertoto Cup.

He has come out with some gems in his time, little pearls of wisdom but this is one of the better ones. In the last 3-4 eL clubs have gone in Europe where they never have gone before. Now with all that progression Roddy wants us to give it up and just compete in the Intertoto. Can someone please put the guy out of his misery, surely he cannot be enjoying that level of stupidity? :eek:

If Rovers fans ever wonder why they were in the first division, its because that guy is a clown of the highest order and completely inept as a human being, not to mind a football manager.

Stay away for the stupid pills Roddy, they dont do anything for you barr make you really really stupid.
02/08/2006, 9:44 PM
Rebal Boy

I can't stand him. He's a f*cking w*nker. He really annoys me. He wasn't givinbg City a chance tonight when Dave Barry and the other gut can't think of his name were trying to believe they could do it. I pity the next club who takes him on as manager I really do.
02/08/2006, 9:45 PM
Neish

Why do ya take any notice of what he says, he a known gibs*ite.

BTW: Ya sould change the title of this to Roddy Collin : Clown of the highest odor
02/08/2006, 9:47 PM
BohsFans

Quote:

Originally Posted by A face

I have to say he out done himself tonight.

eL should give up competing in UEFA Cup and Champions League and concentrate on Intertoto Cup.

He has come out with some gems in his time, little pearls of wisdom but this is one of the better ones. In the last 3-4 eL clubs have gone in Europe where they never have gone before. Now with all that progression Roddy wants us to give it up and just compete in the Intertoto. Can someone please put the guy out of his misery, surely he cannot be enjoying that level of stupidity? :eek:

If Rovers fans ever wonder why they were in the first division, its because that guy is a clown of the highest order and completely inept as a human being, not to mind a football manager.

Stay away for the stupid pills Roddy, they dont do anything for you barr make you really really stupid.

In fairness to him (I'm no Roddy fan btw) everything else he said about the match tonight and Cork in general was spot on! Your being very selective there.

Stupid thing to say though! :(
02/08/2006, 9:47 PM
Mick89

Quote:

Originally Posted by A face

I have to say he out done himself tonight.

eL should give up competing in UEFA Cup and Champions League and concentrate on Intertoto Cup.

He has come out with some gems in his time, little pearls of wisdom but this is one of the better ones. In the last 3-4 eL clubs have gone in Europe where they never have gone before. Now with all that progression Roddy wants us to give it up and just compete in the Intertoto. Can someone please put the guy out of his misery, surely he cannot be enjoying that level of stupidity? :eek:

If Rovers fans ever wonder why they were in the first division, its because that guy is a clown of the highest order and completely inept as a human being, not to mind a football manager.

Stay away for the stupid pills Roddy, they dont do anything for you barr make you really really stupid.

What happens then if an eL team qualifes from the intertoto?:confused:

Suppose he's just so used to embarrassing himself on TV these days with this Euro Star antics that he can't help himself.
02/08/2006, 9:55 PM
listowelceltic

is this not the last season of the intertoto cup?kind a hard to concentrate on a comp thats coming to a end.also roddy kept refering to colin obrien as "young"colin o brien.is he not in his thirties?
02/08/2006, 10:08 PM
A face

Quote:

Originally Posted by BohsFans

In fairness to him (I'm no Roddy fan btw) everything else he said about the match tonight and Cork in general was spot on! Your being very selective there.

Stupid thing to say though! :(

Not selective, four of us watched it tonight and we were all agreeing with what was said until he came out with that cl�nger, Dave Barry had just been talking about lack of funds, and cutting your cloth accordingly (Shels boom and bust) and it then went to Rodders .... he could have highlighted the lack of investment in the league, he could have reiterated what Naill Quinn has said recently about funding, he could have spoke about the benefits of investing in the league ..... the choices were endless ... but not .... Roddy comes out with that little cracker.

You cant defend the indefensible !! :eek:
02/08/2006, 10:20 PM
Marked Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebal Boy

He wasn't givinbg City a chance tonight when Dave Barry and the other gut can't think of his name were trying to believe they could do it.

He was right not to though, wasnt' he?
02/08/2006, 10:21 PM
BohsFans

Quote:

Originally Posted by A face

eL should give up competing in UEFA Cup and Champions League and concentrate on Intertoto Cup.

Not defending it.
02/08/2006, 10:26 PM
Risteard

Besides the crap he talks, seems like a horrible person.
He's always -most notably on eL weekly - shouting above people to get his 'point' across.

Terrible record behind him and not deserving of the media time he gets.
02/08/2006, 10:50 PM
OneRedArmy

Bitter relegation specialist who is addicted to publicity, all he has left is a Dermot Keeley-esque "things were better in my day guv" psychological crutch to lean on, as he slips further into obscurity.
02/08/2006, 11:37 PM
Poor Student

I've read a lot written by Collins over the years and watched him on TV. He seizes every opportunity possible to bash the league and highlight its utter unworthiness to him. When Shamrock Rovers were filmed to be on Futbal Mundial he wrote in his weekly article in The Star that he hoped it wouldn't gloss over the truth with some romanticism as the league deserved to have its patheticness known to the world. That's not to say he doesn't offer the odd true critical point, for example the lack of depth in Cork's squad compared to Drogs and Shels. However it was rightly raised in response that the lack of funds just won't allow that. He always talks about spending large wads of cash that don't exist in the eL, which is exactly what he did in his last two jobs. I don't know what he wants. He offers no real solutions to problems, he just points out flaws and goes on about bringing in better players.
03/08/2006, 12:05 AM
Sheridan

I really don't understand how and why people continue to take Roddy's pronouncements seriously. He mounts a particular hobby-horse at the beginning of a broadcast and rides it rock solid until the bitter end. The more contentious, the greater the likelihood of his invited being back. From a broadcasting point of view, he speaks fluently and relatively articulately, encourages controversy and has a certain grotesque charisma. But NO-ONE takes him or his opinions seriously.

That said, he did (Stopped Clock Principle) correctly identify Cork's chief tactical failing tonight, namely Billy Woods' propensity to be drawn inside and leave the left flank exposed.

On a broader point, I don't see why every result in Europe has to be hailed as the greatest triumph in history and evidence of imminent Champions League qualification, or derided as indicative of the inherent deficiencies which will always and inevitably prevent Irish clubs from succeeding in Europe. It's football. Yes, the league has progressed, but not to the extent that Cork City can send a skeleton crew to Belgrade and expect to compete with Red Star on an even footing. But even so, they were done by two avoidable goalkeeping errors and what looked from my (admittedly imperfect) vantage point like an offside header. There will always be a large random component involved in football, people need to stop making these categorical generalisations.
03/08/2006, 2:22 AM
Dodge

I love the way you never dumb down your posts Sheridan. Agree with that last post 100% too.
03/08/2006, 7:37 AM
harry crumb

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheridan

I really don't understand how and why people continue to take Roddy's pronouncements seriously. He mounts a particular hobby-horse at the beginning of a broadcast and rides it rock solid until the bitter end. The more contentious, the greater the likelihood of his invited being back. From a broadcasting point of view, he speaks fluently and relatively articulately, encourages controversy and has a certain grotesque charisma. But NO-ONE takes him or his opinions seriously.

That said, he did (Stopped Clock Principle) correctly identify Cork's chief tactical failing tonight, namely Billy Woods' propensity to be drawn inside and leave the left flank exposed.

On a broader point, I don't see why every result in Europe has to be hailed as the greatest triumph in history and evidence of imminent Champions League qualification, or derided as indicative of the inherent deficiencies which will always and inevitably prevent Irish clubs from succeeding in Europe. It's football. Yes, the league has progressed, but not to the extent that Cork City can send a skeleton crew to Belgrade and expect to compete with Red Star on an even footing. But even so, they were done by two avoidable goalkeeping errors and what looked from my (admittedly imperfect) vantage point like an offside header. There will always be a large random component involved in football, people need to stop making these categorical generalisations.

Good points made there.

Like the "Skeleton crew" reference:D
03/08/2006, 8:11 AM
Clones Road Cas

I have to say I dislike him with a passion, but i would agree with nearly all I heard him say.

What I heard and I may have missed a bit of the analysis was that we have to stop talking up our chances in the CL / UEFA cup under current domestic structures because it makes us look foolish and that our best chance of winning games is in the Intertoto. He argues that we are more than 5 years away from the group stages of the CL.

I think round three of CL is possible in any year with a lucky draw, but given the gulf in recenue between the teams in the el and europe that the next step is impossible without a change in the fortunes of our league.

UEFA is a bit more chancy but you would still require very good draws to make the group stages. We have had good draws in this round, one of DC or DU will require another good draw and a great performance to make it through to the next round.

As for his talk about cork not signing players and taking a step back, he's dead right. Yes cork were missing players but they, understandably due to the need for financial sense, have not invested heavily since winning the league and as a result are not playing as well this year.

I do think that given his fractious relationship with so many people in the el that it is an insult to have the ***** commenting on tv and that rte should be told this.
03/08/2006, 8:20 AM
Vitruvian Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

I love the way you never dumb down your posts Sheridan. Agree with that last post 100% too.

Get your beady eyes off him Dodge.

We saw him first.
03/08/2006, 8:22 AM
Ronnie

Simple people come up with simple ideas - pay out loads of money to get the best players and you'll be successful. Now, where we get that money....doh, hit a glitch already!
03/08/2006, 8:27 AM
geysir

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clones Road Cas

What I heard and I may have missed a bit of the analysis was that we have to stop talking up our chances in the CL / UEFA cup under current domestic structures because it makes us look foolish and that our best chance of winning games is in the Intertoto. He argues that we are more than 5 years away from the group stages of the CL.

I think round three of CL is possible in any year with a lucky draw, but given the gulf in recenue between the teams in the el and europe that the next step is impossible without a change in the fortunes of our league.

UEFA is a bit more chancy but you would still require very good draws to make the group stages. We have had good draws in this round, one of DC or DU will require another good draw and a great performance to make it through to the next round.
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I might have missed something here, but with 3 merited wins and a draw already gained in the UEFA cup competition, with both teams involved now at the same level that a string of lower profile co-efficientless InterToto victories would have brought, the achievements of Derry and Drogheda make Roddy's statements look irrational.
03/08/2006, 8:33 AM
joeSoap

The first two qualifying rounds of the CL are in the main made up of clubs like Cork City, Shelbourne, etc. In other words clubs that are going to get knocked out in the 3rd qualifying round if they get there. I'll bet that the majority of clubs that automatically went into the third round draw will make it to the group stages. An Irish club will not make it to the group stages of the CL in the next 5-10 years and we can all delude ourselves all day long into believing that if we so wish.

Roddy may have been overly critical when he said about puling out of the CL and the UEFA cups, but he ain't half wrong imo. The problem here lies within UEFA. There should be a totally different competition solely for clubs of lower co-efficients, something similar to what the GAA have done with regard to the hurling championship. The Christy Ring cup is now an eagerly contested competition for clubs of a lower standard who wouldn't have a snowball in hells chance of winning the Liam McCarthy. It gives them something to strive towards other than beatings from Cork and Kilkenny.

If there was a competition amongst your equals in Europe Irish clubs would prosper more I believe and achieve far better long term prosperity.

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