Government Position on US Illegals

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27/03/2006, 7:45 AM
Macy

Government Position on US Illegals

Anyone else think that this Governments position and support for the Irish Illegals in the US is hypocritical in the extreme? They pass a racist piece of legislation to limit immigration into this country and to stop people born on the island being Irish, yet they're quite happy to put pressure on the USA to let Irish people stay.

The same week their trying to deport a 19 year old lad because of a traffic offence, they're swanning about Washington demanding what they'd deny to people born here. :mad:
27/03/2006, 4:09 PM
klein4

yeah its hypocritical alrite. but I wouldnt begrudge anyone who had to leave this country and set up somewhere else a life....so fair play to them
28/03/2006, 7:29 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by klein4

yeah its hypocritical alrite. but I wouldnt begrudge anyone who had to leave this country and set up somewhere else a life....so fair play to them

Don't get me wrong, I think there is a case to made for the US illegals, but the only difference between them and immigrants into this country wanting a better life is the colour of their skin.
28/03/2006, 8:52 AM
Dodge

In most cases there isn't even that Macy.

Anyone see the US proposals for "guest workers" to help legitimize illegals. They reckon illegals account for 5% of total workforce and in construction and food preparation as high as 25-30%. Bush spoke of the neeed for "low skilled" workers filling jobs American don't want to do. Which of course is true but their half arsed "we'll allow you in but can throw you out at any stage" proposal is just ludicrous and offers no incentive to those currently living nd working illegally in the US

Some light reading on the Irish government's position on Irish emigrants
28/03/2006, 1:34 PM
pete

The legislation in Ireland was passed by a Referendum. I think it is more accurate to say irish people are hypocrites to vote yes for a Referendum & then when see hard case story on the news campaign to have the law bended...?

In the US seems to be a differnce between white & coloured illegals...
29/03/2006, 9:34 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by pete

The legislation in Ireland was passed by a Referendum. I think it is more accurate to say irish people are hypocrites to vote yes for a Referendum & then when see hard case story on the news campaign to have the law bended...

There was no campaign for the referendum from the Irish people, it was McDowell's idea from the start to pander to the "taking our jobs, taking our women" brigade. However, I do agree there is a lot of hypocracy over racism in Ireland.
29/03/2006, 9:52 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by pete

In the US seems to be a differnce between white & coloured illegals...

Any evidence to support that?
29/03/2006, 12:03 PM
klein4

sure if people had a voted no then they just would have had another one til they voted yes! now thats democracy!
29/03/2006, 9:34 PM
Thunderblaster

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Originally Posted by klein4

sure if people had a voted no then they just would have had another one til they voted yes! now thats democracy!

AKA Nice Referendum.
29/03/2006, 10:20 PM
CollegeTillIDie

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Originally Posted by Macy

Anyone else think that this Governments position and support for the Irish Illegals in the US is hypocritical in the extreme? They pass a racist piece of legislation to limit immigration into this country and to stop people born on the island being Irish, yet they're quite happy to put pressure on the USA to let Irish people stay.

The same week their trying to deport a 19 year old lad because of a traffic offence, they're swanning about Washington demanding what they'd deny to people born here. :mad:

or it could be.. the Irish illegals in the US baled on this country when things were tough here, so screw them we don't want them back :D

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Originally Posted by Macy

McDowell's idea from the start to pander to the "taking our jobs, taking our women" brigade.

Speaking personally they are welcome to our women :D as long as Irish guys get to try out their women no problem ....
Like the song from way back when said "What we need is a great big melting pot...."
30/03/2006, 2:24 PM
pete

I think there are still many irish people moving to the US illegally these days just for change of scenery so they not exactly economic immigrants. I think still fairly hard to get decent job as illegal so i would assume most get bored after a few years of building or waitressing...?

US should surely have naturalisation program for people there say 10 years.
30/03/2006, 3:21 PM
Metrostars

But at what point is enough is enough??

The US has taken a relaxed view of illegal immigrants for too long. 11 million illegals in the US? Thats crazy.

Also, I think it's ironic that the people in recent protests have a lot of flags. Not too many US flags in sight though:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...r441542540.jpg
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...3612453545.jpg
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../la10803272045

What does that say?
30/03/2006, 4:06 PM
klein4

I dont understand?
What do you mean when you say "what does that say?"
They are hardly going to denounce their heritage just cause they want to live in the states.
same as the people moving here.
30/03/2006, 7:54 PM
John83

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Originally Posted by pete

The legislation in Ireland was passed by a Referendum. I think it is more accurate to say irish people are hypocrites to vote yes for a Referendum & then when see hard case story on the news campaign to have the law bended...?

I voted no on that referendum, because it didn't so what people claimed it did. It gave the government the power do define nationality, and I don't think they have any right deciding that. It's a constitutional matter if ever I saw one. Mostly though, people voted on that without even reading the damn thing.
30/03/2006, 9:50 PM
Metrostars

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Originally Posted by klein4

I dont understand?
What do you mean when you say "what does that say?"
They are hardly going to denounce their heritage just cause they want to live in the states.
same as the people moving here.

But if they are coming to the US, and want to stay instead of their own country, should they not embrace the US culture as well? It's not denouncing their heritage, it's about them choosing to live in the US. They are not going to win much sympathy if they are waving Mexican/Chinese/Irish flags instead of the US flag.
30/03/2006, 11:13 PM
Dodge

But surely if its a march for immigrants rights the flags are there to show that its not just a Mexican issue or an Irish issue or an issue confined to any one country. The flags show it affects all immigrants.

Its not like they were burning US flag or doing anything "anti-American"
31/03/2006, 7:04 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by Metrostars

What does that say?

No pictures of people with Irish flags as well says racism to me.

EDIT - only spotted you mention Irish Flags in the follow up post, so I take that back.
31/03/2006, 11:34 AM
klein4

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Originally Posted by Metrostars

But if they are coming to the US, and want to stay instead of their own country, should they not embrace the US culture as well? It's not denouncing their heritage, it's about them choosing to live in the US. They are not going to win much sympathy if they are waving Mexican/Chinese/Irish flags instead of the US flag.

Have to say I disagree with ya there. I might want to live in australia(for example) cause of the weather and the lifestyle but it wouldnt mean I would want to ever be an australian. cause Im Irish. it probably sums up whats wrong with america at the mo if they think being proud of where you are from is anti american if that place is not america.
31/03/2006, 12:07 PM
pete

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Originally Posted by John83

I voted no on that referendum, because it didn't so what people claimed it did. It gave the government the power do define nationality, and I don't think they have any right deciding that. It's a constitutional matter if ever I saw one. Mostly though, people voted on that without even reading the damn thing.

The referendum inserted a clause in the constitution. Ignorance of not reading the referendum is no excuse. Hard cases don't make good laws.
31/03/2006, 12:21 PM
Macy

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Originally Posted by pete

Hard cases don't make good laws.

But then niether does pandering to the underlying racism of a country.

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