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Dunno if I spelt that right - but did anyone see the programme on Channel 4 last nite about the 3 British guys who went to a wedding and ended up there for 3 years. Only caught the end of it but it looked like fairly shocking stuff. prisoners kept in cages and banned from exercising and beaten and having their Korans kicked around. Anyone see the whole thing? did it seem truthful or just propaganda?
I didn't see it but America are breaking all sorts of human rights in Guantanamo Bay and getting away with it. As usual they bully the world and get away with it. If a muslim country was holding Americans like that they'd have the country blown to shít by now.
Saw most of it - was flicking between that and the No Experienced Required later on. Saw it all up to when they were arrested.
It seemed to be truthful, and the lads seemed naive and misguided at worst. However, the treatment they received once arrested was disgusting, and no one, absolutely no one, can tell me that treatment of prisoners is justified (regardless of their guilt or otherwise). This applies to both the Northern Alliance and the US. The British Government must also hang their head in shame, as they could've disproved the yanks accusations straight away about them being at meetings in 2000 with Bin Laden (one was doing community service ffs).
I really hope it's repeated soon, as I'd like to see the full thing again, and get as many people as possible to watch it.
yeah I dont go in for the whole "blame the yanks for everything " lark but it was truely shocking stuff and I just found myself saying "*******s" every few minutes. people involved in that camp should be ****ing ashamed of themselves.
I don't know if was based on true events...? I thought just a dramatisation but inspired by events...?
Didn't see it. Will probably be shown on More4 as repeat...
For anyone living in Cork that enjoyed that movie, or for anyone who likes a good documentary, the anti-war movement are screening a docu on the Fallujah massacre of two years ago on Wednesday the 22nd in the Spalpin Fanach
It was based on their story. Interviews and re-enactments. Shocking stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
It was the Brittish that invented concentration camps in the first place and we all know there history of Internment without Trial in this country so I'm not surprised that they support the Yanks in this.Would'nt be at all surprised if the Bush administration consulted with the Brits on setting up the campQuote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Got this in a work news round up e-mail
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Originally Posted by RTE Radio one
watch it last night.....excellent viewing just to see what is going on in the world that we dont even think about.
The treatment they recived was horrible but I couldnt understand why they werent more upset and outraged about being put in Gauntanamo.
When the fella from the Brittish Embassy came they didnt plead their inocence or try to reason with him.I know circumstances might have effected their mental condition but it still seemed strange.
Another thing i wonder about is whether they would be taking action against their inprisonment through the courts.With the way the program ended it would suggest that they wont,which is unbelievable considering all the legal action that goes on these days reguarding mistaken identity.
I don't know about the legal action - could be that they have advice that they couldn't win the case, or the cost of taking the case, or the fact that the US doesn't recognise internation courts.
Did they not question why the British diplomat wasn't helping them, and it was all in front of the "British" Soldier? It might not even have been a British Diplomat considering, the Brit Soldier has since claimed he was from the US pretending.
But if they had nothing to hide why not tell the truth.
I dont think they were involved with the Taliban but they just werent very convincing.
It's irrelevant when it comes to the treatment at the hands of the Northern Alliance and the US. Even if they were best buddies with Bin Laden, doesn't excuse the torture, treatment and conditions they were held in.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stars
oh,I agree 100% with you and the treatment they received was inhuman but I hope you can understand the point I was trying to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Guantanamo is such a disgrace to the US. Any other Country that would have this set up, their leader would be prosecuted for war crimes. And how does the US circumvent this? They refuse to recognise the Geneva convention! Just recently, the Associated press sued the government under the freedom of information act and won. The US now has to release the names of those that are incarcerated at Guantanamo. Fcuking unbelievable in this day and age.
Don't get me wrong as I'm sure they have a few bad guys in there, but the mentality of 'Lets round them all up and we'll catch a few' seems like they have their own version of the wild west going on.
Anyone see the More4 programme about it a month ago where they got four blokes to live through a watered down version of what it's like to be in Gitmo.
The pro "coercive interrogation" fellows soon changed their tune.:mad:
Hopefully, if there is any justice, we'll see Chimpy, Cheney, Condi, Rumsfeldt, Rove, Gonzalez, General Miller and the rest of the Crime Family up for war crimes - all we need is some whistleblower to leak evidence from the US administration.
After the best part of two years been subjected to what amounts to torture in the camp it is hardly surprising if they weren't exactly acting rationally all the time or very trusting that the guy was actually from the embassy in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stars
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Originally Posted by strangeirish
did you hear the US responce as to why they didnt want to give out the names , TO PROTECT THE PRISONERS RIGHTS !!!!
I guess their idea of prisoners rights are to lock them up for four years and not charge them with anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by anto1208
ah...wasnt that nice of them.And we thought they were inhuman:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by anto1208