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22/02/2006, 10:16 AM
pedro

Union Jacks

Why is it that no matter what football league u follow there are always..Always .. Union Jack's in the crowd or some variation on the british flag (ahem..eircom league not included!)
So whats the deal, can anyone shed some light on the subject.
Could it be that so many countries view the Union Jack the same way they view the Swastika, ie the embodiement of a domineering bloodthirsty menace.?? This would explain the respective clubs ULTRAS fans being fond of it. Am i being paranoid? has anyone else noticed this? Discuss/
22/02/2006, 10:33 AM
finlma

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I often watch La Liga and never see a Union Jack. I also watch the Premiership and see a Tri-Colour at nearly every game.
22/02/2006, 10:33 AM
$Leon$

i'd say what you notice is actually the Basque flag red green and white almost the same design as union jack
22/02/2006, 10:34 AM
noby

Any examples? I can't think of any outside Britain.
22/02/2006, 10:35 AM
noby

Leon, I thought of the Basque flag, but that hardly covers "no matter what football league u follow"
22/02/2006, 10:41 AM
Dodge

Most european hoolies (there's not really a hoolie scene in La Liga) look up to the English hoolies (Of the 70s/80s) and have the union jack in the same way that students have a Che Guevara flag...
22/02/2006, 12:24 PM
pedro

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Most european hoolies (there's not really a hoolie scene in La Liga) look up to the English hoolies (Of the 70s/80s) and have the union jack in the same way that students have a Che Guevara flag...

thanks dodge, i was beginnin to think it was paranoia! but yeah i was thinkin along those lines.
i have mainly seen it in Italy and Holland but im sure you will all notice it now that i have brought it up.
And as far as the Basque flag goes.. c'mon gimme some credit!:cool:
22/02/2006, 12:25 PM
Poor Student

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Originally Posted by pedro

Could it be that so many countries view the Union Jack the same way they view the Swastika, ie the embodiement of a domineering bloodthirsty menace.?? /

I'm going to warn you on that comment. I'll let the thread continue as there is an actual question being asked but tread carefully people.
22/02/2006, 12:55 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by pedro

Could it be that so many countries view the Union Jack the same way they view the Swastika, ie the embodiement of a domineering bloodthirsty menace.?? This would explain the respective clubs ULTRAS fans being fond of it. Am i being paranoid? has anyone else noticed this? Discuss/

Not really, you could ask why are Italian ultras so fond of Celtic crosses, the embodiment of Irish monks?
22/02/2006, 1:33 PM
stickyjoe

Feyenord is one ground that I have been to where I spotted a few union jacks. AFAIK the celtic cross is viewed in europe as an alternative symbol for a swastika?
22/02/2006, 1:37 PM
OwlsFan

Why are there so many tricolours at PL games in England ;) ?
22/02/2006, 1:41 PM
pedro

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Could it be that so many countries view the Union Jack the same way they view the Swastika, ie the embodiement of a domineering bloodthirsty menace.??

ok sorry that was fairly out of order but im just tryin to get to the bare bones of the topic. and lets be fair the Union Jack doesnt really hold any positive image especially on these shore's and further afield.
22/02/2006, 2:46 PM
superfrank

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Originally Posted by noby

Leon, I thought of the Basque flag, but that hardly covers "no matter what football league u follow"

Republicans are quite fond of the Basque flag, the Palestinian one too.

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Why are there so many tricolours at PL games in England ;) ?

Obvious one that.....unfortunately.
22/02/2006, 3:03 PM
pete

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Most european hoolies (there's not really a hoolie scene in La Liga) look up to the English hoolies (Of the 70s/80s)...

I always believed that was the case but more linked to the St Georges Cross/Flag.
22/02/2006, 3:12 PM
Dodge

Union jacks easier to get. Also the St. George cross is also the St. Jordi (same guy) Cross and a fe wother local variants. Union Jack only means one thing
22/02/2006, 3:43 PM
pedro

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Union Jack only means one thing

And whats that Dodge..careful now!!!:rolleyes:
22/02/2006, 9:46 PM
renovater

straight talk

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Originally Posted by pedro

And whats that Dodge..careful now!!!:rolleyes:

Lads dont get carried away flags are flags they represent what you want it to be'
That can be good in one mans eye and another not so good
22/02/2006, 11:03 PM
Dodge

I meant it in that the union jack symbolises britain only, where as flag of St. George is used by loads of regions etc
23/02/2006, 10:40 AM
londonirish17

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Originally Posted by noby

Any examples? I can't think of any outside Britain.

I can tell you at least of 2 countries where you can find Union Jacks or ST George's crosses on nearly every ground... Belgium and the Netherlands.
In these 2 countries some of the harder elements who belong to "A Side"(term used for Ultras) i.e X-Side Antwerp, East Side Club Brugge, O-Side Anderlecht, ... strongly identify themselves with everything related to British hooliganism etc. Various sociological studies have shown that these supporters also tend to show up on some games involving the English national team just hoping that some trouble will happen.
Of course most of these guys never held any history book in their hand and are therefore unaware of what it means to brandish a Union Jack abroad...
23/02/2006, 12:59 PM
lopez

I think this fashion is dying out a bit, mainly because the tans don't bother carrying the Butcher's Apron anymore (one bloke I know claims he'd use the blue bit to wipe his ar*e, such is the respect it has these days). During the eighties it was the flag of honour of many a Euro-scumist. Anyone here old enough to remember those nice shaven-head lads that thought it a good idea to wave it at the Irish fans in Berne 1985? Man, did they get tw*tted!:eek:

On the side show of Irish tricolours and Ikurrinas, I've seen the former at Basque and Galician clubs (not Catalan for some unknown reason) in la liga and definitely not carried by Irish footy-tourists. And I'll never forget the 'birthday present' that Deportivo fans gave Real Madrid at the end of the 2002 Copa del Rey. It seemed every fan had bought an ikurrina to hold up as they sang 'Happy Birthday to You.':D Another favourite (Depor, Celta, some Betis and Sevilla) is the Jamaican flag. Hmmm: Wonder what that's about? :confused:

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