Dalymount - share talks confirmed

I hope that they get a good deal to put to the members.

I would hate to see the situation arise where Shelbourne get to develop Connaught Street into a facility with car-park etc (continual source of revenue) and benefit from the sale of their ground, while we give up 50% of our ground for free and just have the use of the seats.

We have got to be financially compensated if we give up 50% of the ground. I really hope that we aren't left in the same financial position that we are in now with less of a stake in our home while Shelbourne are effectively being given a free ground and will have Tolka money to re-invest.

As I have said I am willing to listen to any offers, I think that with the right deal it could be fantastic for Bohs. With the wrong deal it could be disastrous. I hope the Bohs committee deliver the goods. If so it will be a fantastic move for the club in my opinion.

Delaney and Ollie's relationship concerns me though.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0126/dalymount.html

Dalymount ground-share talks confirmed

The prospect of Bohemians and Shelbourne sharing the same ground has moved a step closer to reality after confirmation from the FAI today that representatives from both clubs have met to discuss the possibility in conjunction with officials from Merrion Square.

A statement from the FAI said: "At the invitation of the FAI and as a natural follow-on from the publication of the recent Genesis report on the future of the eircom League, discussions have taken place between representatives of Bohemian FC and Shelbourne FC about a possible ground share arrangement. These discussions are being chaired by the FAI."

Recent speculation has suggested the two northside clubs could share a ground at a redeveloped Dalymount Park in Phibsboro, which would be co-funded by the Government and the sale of Shelbourne's Tolka Park in Drumcondra.


The statement added: "Both clubs have entered into these discussions without prejudice to other strategic and developmental initiatives which are under consideration. The talks are taking place in the full recognition of the best interests of the stakeholders of both clubs and for the benefit of the long-term future of the clubs.

"The sensitive nature of these discussions dictates that no further statement will be made at this time."

It is believed a similar arrangement is on the cards south of the River Liffey, with St Patrick's Athletic and Shamrock Rovers suggested as co-tenants of the new stadium in Tallaght. This partnership would also be partly funded by the Government and the sale of St Pat's' Richmond Park in Inchicore.

Effectively the government and the FAI want shels and pats to pay for ground developments for themselves and two other clubs at the same time.
In theory pats/shels could get €5m for richmond/tolka and build a €25m stadium when thats added to their grant entitlements so if I was ollie or bernie i'd be telling them to f off.

I'm no property expert but I would have tought that Dayler was worth in the region of 100 million. Shels presumably don't have anything like half of that.

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Originally Posted by BohsFan

Shels in Dalymount? Over my dead body.

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So eh, what do you plan on doing to prevent this?:rolleyes: :D.

What ever the fcuk happened to our 10,000 seater stadium out in donabate ? We could have added to it later years and make a 20,000 all seater fortress . The ground share with bohs is a pathetic idea. If it did go ahead it would want to be something really impressive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once again it seems the fans are left in the dark!

Always the same with that fcuking Ollie scum!:mad: :mad: :mad:

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

What ever the fcuk happened to our 10,000 seater stadium out in donabate ? We could have added to it later years and make a 20,000 all seater fortress . The ground share with bohs is a pathetic idea. If it did go ahead it would want to be something really impressive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Surely Ollie wouldn't have been dishonest to his fans? Shock.

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Originally Posted by sligoman

So eh, what do you plan on doing to prevent this?:rolleyes: :D.

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Well seeing as he is a part-owner of the club he can do something.:rolleyes:

If the members of Bohemians reject this then it can't happen. I am a member and I am willing to see what is on offer, but Bohemians should be heavily rewarded if any deal is to proceed.

A big NO NO NO :mad:

I like Dalymount, think it's the nicest one of the other Dublin grounds because it has so much history (and one very good stand), but it's not the spiritual home of Shels.

As I said before: why leaving Tolka? European games will get a new stadium filled, but 800 fans for a Tuesday night game vs Dublin City or Drogheda will look pathetic in a stadium any bigger than Tolka. We don't want it to become a copy of Queens Park FC Glasgow, do we? :confused:

Anyway, NO TO DALYMOUNT, NO TO GROUNDSHARING

BIG f*cking Disaster!!!

A calm and level headed approach to this. Groundsharing was always going to be a likely option for Dublin clubs. No one is being kept in the dark. When news is had it will be announced. How are you in the dark, didn't a press release get released when the news was to be had and will again when there is more news?

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I'm no property expert but I would have tought that Dayler was worth in the region of 100 million. Shels presumably don't have anything like half of that.

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Dalymount is worth about €2,000,000. Thats the value of the ground as a football stadium.

Real estate value is 10/15 times that

This kind of thing happens the world over. What do Bohs fans want - to slide deeper and deeper into debt and follow Rovers into the first division? With the money from the sale of Tolka, you could put a decent stand on the Connaught Street side, benefitting both clubs. No need to use that kip in D4 for Cup Finals / big European games.

From a Shels perspective, we long since lost whatever spiritual home we had and its time to be pragmatic. Yes we all want an Old Trafford or a Bernebeu, of our own, but its not practical.

I can understand Bohs fans objections more than ours. Dalymount has always been synonymous with Bohs, and probably always will be. Anyway, its their ground at the moment - the decision is theirs. Nothing that Ollie or Delaney can do if Bohs say no. Shels have their own plans and we can go up to Lissenhall if this falls through. Do Bohs have a Plan B?

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This kind of thing happens the world over. What do Bohs fans want - to slide deeper and deeper into debt and follow Rovers into the first division?


Nothing that Ollie or Delaney can do if Bohs say no. Shels have their own plans and we can go up to Lissenhall if this falls through. Do Bohs have a Plan B?

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you obviously know nothing about Bohs financial situation with your first comments

Shels have a plan but they dont want to execute it. Bohs dont require a plan B. We have a stadium that we own.

I'm a long-time proponent of thsi so I am delighted with news today. Eventually sense always prevails.

Of course it has to be a fair divvy up. The best way to handle this is for both clubs to sell their grounds (or leases or whatever) to the FAI. Then the cost of developing Dalymount is paid by the FAI and the balance is returned evenly to the clubs. Shels should not be able to make a killing. Otherwise it is just a case of them cashing in and renting another ground.

But in principle ground sharing in a superior stadium is infinitely better than both clubs trundling along with poor facilities (relative to what they could have) and/or massive and unsustainable debts. :ball:

As far as tradition goes - everything changes. Just start a new tradition.

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Originally Posted by Gerrit

I like Dalymount, think it's the nicest one of the other Dublin grounds because it has so much history (and one very good stand), but it's not the spiritual home of Shels.

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You do know they're playing in Tolka less than 20 years don't you? And that there was a club in Tolka before Shels?

At the moment Tolka Park is probably the best ground in the League. Yet the Shelbourne supporters have allowed Ollie Byrne and his cronies, to sell off their prize asset. Was Donabate ever a real prospect. I think not. The developers can't wait to get their hands on this prime site. We all know what developers are prepared to do to land a prize catch. People are looked after. Tolka has a special place in Irish football. It destruction should never have been even considered. Shels were obviously losing money, basically due to the lack of crowds to pay for their ever swelling wage bill.

Going to Donabate was never going to create bigger crowds. All these remedies are short term fixes, inclluding Dalymount. Basically they are spending far too much on wages. I'm very surprised and disappointed with the silence of Bertie Ahern on this subject. A man who claims to have been a staunch Drumcondra supporter, can sit back and see Tolka demolished to become another mass of concrete and glass. What a sorry mess football is in this age of the Celtic Tiger. If Tolka is sold, Shels are faced with relocating to Dalymount or perhaps Morton Stadium. Will all the money that exchange between the Developers and Shelbourne stay in football? Me thinks not.

I'm talking about the site in Bally-whatever. I am seriously beginning to think this was a smoke screen and this groundsharing idea has been going on behind the scenes for the past few months/years(:confused: ) ???:confused: . We have not heard anything concrete (excuse the pun) on the site out in Co. Dublin in quite some time.

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Originally Posted by LFC in Exile

I'm a long-time proponent of thsi so I am delighted with news today.

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Well of course you are. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Dodge

You do know they're playing in Tolka less than 20 years don't you? And that there was a club in Tolka before Shels?

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I am aware of that, yes. Other club: you mean Drumcondra FC I suppose?