Views on Roy Keane becoming the next manager.

What are peoples views on Roy Keane to be the next manager. Hopefully this thread can be discussed rationally and not be hi-jacked by club loyalties etc. We are discussing the possibilty of him becoming the manager. He has the same merits for the job as Staunton, (some would argue more). The FAI would be following a route that the Welsh, German and Dutch football Associations have taken in recent times.


I do think that he would be ahead of Staunton McAteer in that he does have numerous coaching badges and has shown leadership on and off the field at Man Utd for 12 and half years. There are lots of negatives too. But he seemed to fit in with the recent squad and the likes of Duff Keane, Morrisson Dunne, Cunningham and Reid were full of praise for him. ANyway what are peoples views on this.

liverpool are best wey hey....ah only joking

i think he would be good for the job, but as i said earlier i think he wants to play on , he is like an explayer so i can see the wales/germany link, i would rather see him than a ex england manager just coming think ing he wil be another jack chartlon, dont know about the delaney/manu/fergie/keane rleationship, like has delaney any weight with them, dont think he will take it.

i think a comparison with Cruyff being made Ajax coach in the 80s when he had no badges or experience is more relevant to compare him with than MacAteer and Stauntan who are two journeymen ex pros .....he is just a legend in Ireland terms..
I have no idea if he would make a good manager to be honest...but he would seem to have a very clear idea of how he wants football played and how he wants things done...deffo think he has as much claim to the job of anyone else linked to it apart from martin o neill. imo.

So we just sweep Saipan, his premature retirement for playing for his country, failure to travel to Iran for a vital play off game, his failure "to do friendlies" (his words) etc under the carpet ? There is a very large proportion of Irish supporters who will not forgive him for these things.

In the words of Ian Paisley: "Never, never, never".

From a purely technical point of view, what advantage would he have over the likes of John Aldridge who has experience as a manager ?

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

So we just sweep Saipan, his premature retirement for playing for his country, failure to travel to Iran for a vital play off game, his failure "to do friendlies" (his words) etc under the carpet ?

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eh yes to be honest.
are you really still hung up on all that?
its irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

From a purely technical point of view, what advantage would he have over the likes of John Aldridge who has experience as a manager ?

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Can't belive you asked such a question. What did Aldo do as a manager, a have decent cup run? Like him or nor Keane knows the game, can read the game as well as anyone, and is hugely respected by players, not sure also could say the same.

He 8-1 on Paddy Power in from about 60-1

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

So we just sweep Saipan, his premature retirement for playing for his country, failure to travel to Iran for a vital play off game, his failure "to do friendlies" (his words) etc under the carpet ? There is a very large proportion of Irish supporters who will not forgive him for these things.

In the words of Ian Paisley: "Never, never, never".

From a purely technical point of view, what advantage would he have over the likes of John Aldridge who has experience as a manager ?

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I understand your concerns. I do think that appointing him would be unpopular with a large minority of Irish fans.

Just one point tough he was injured for the Iran game. He played through the injury barrier for the home match and then it was too much of a risk for the 2nd leg, seems fair enough to me.

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Originally Posted by klein4

eh yes to be honest.
are you really still hung up on all that?
its irrelevant.

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I'm still hung up on Saipan actually, will never forgive him for that. Fortunately I have a cr@p memory so am quite willing to try to forget.

Of the current crop of candidates - mostly inexperienced or hasbeens - he's probably the best.

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Originally Posted by klein4

i think a comparison with Cruyff being made Ajax coach in the 80s when he had no badges or experience is more relevant to compare him with than MacAteer and Stauntan who are two journeymen ex pros .....he is just a legend in Ireland terms..
I have no idea if he would make a good manager to be honest...but he would seem to have a very clear idea of how he wants football played and how he wants things done...deffo think he has as much claim to the job of anyone else linked to it apart from martin o neill. imo.

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Klein -you should really pick your comparisons a little more carefully -Stan has not far off twice as many caps as Roy. Journeyman pro? don't be ridiculous.
Two stints with both Liverpool and Villa doesn't make you a journeyman. he was well into his thirties when he went to Coventry and is following a well worn path of dropping the divisions as he winds down his playing days and gets some coaching experience. So that's what ...4 clubs in a 20 year career.

If you must bandy about tired meaningless terms like "legend" to build Roy up -well fine -but try not to put down others who gave distinguished service just to create counterpoint.

How could he, with a straight face, ask big players to come to Dublin for friendlies?
Or insist that they accept that the manager is the one who calls the shots?

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Originally Posted by PaulB

Can't belive you asked such a question. What did Aldo do as a manager, a have decent cup run? Like him or nor Keane knows the game, can read the game as well as anyone, and is hugely respected by players, not sure also could say the same.

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Can't believe you made such a comment. Are you implying that Aldridge doesn't know the game?! This is the player who has scored more goals in English league football than anyone ever since the war - despite spending two years in Spain - and you're questioning his knowledge of the game?!

Personally, I would rule Keane out for the reason I'd rule Staunton out - no managerial experience. From what he's been saying over the past couple of months, he wants one more season playing, so would be a no-go for the job this time around.

Klinsmann is doing the job with Germany and Hughes did a good job at Wales.

I'd prefer Keane over anyone except MON or Georgre Burley. He'd certainly give it his all. We don't have a lot to loose - we're odds on not to qualify for a major tournament for a long time so its worth the risk in my view.
Better than El Tel anyway - he better not get the job.

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Originally Posted by finlma

Klinsmann is doing the job with Germany

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Is he? He's getting a lot of stick now in Germany.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Can't believe you made such a comment. Are you implying that Aldridge doesn't know the game?! This is the player who has scored more goals in English league football than anyone ever since the war - despite spending two years in Spain - and you're questioning his knowledge of the game?!

Personally, I would rule Keane out for the reason I'd rule Staunton out - no managerial experience. From what he's been saying over the past couple of months, he wants one more season playing, so would be a no-go for the job this time around.

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No, I was just questioning his credentials as a manager, loved him as a player, but don't rate him as a manager, and I agree I don't think it's time for Keane either

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

So we just sweep Saipan, his premature retirement for playing for his country, failure to travel to Iran for a vital play off game, his failure "to do friendlies" (his words) etc under the carpet ? There is a very large proportion of Irish supporters who will not forgive him for these things.

In the words of Ian Paisley: "Never, never, never".

From a purely technical point of view, what advantage would he have over the likes of John Aldridge who has experience as a manager ?

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i believe ian paisley meeting bertie today...20 years after saying never never never.........

never say never.

every time stauntans name was read out at lansdowne before the 2002 world cup it was to audible graoans. he had a cracker of a finals but before that he was in decline for a long time.
maybe journeyman pro was a bit harsh in stauntans case I accept that.
but people who "will never forgive saipan" seem to suffer memory loss when it comes to stauntan. ask any liverpool fan how good he was for them during his second stint....(altho do it in the other forum)
keane was a legend for ireland in terms of performances and in terms of his club success. thats what I mean when I put him above MacAteer and Stauntan and compare him with Cruyffs situation in regards his standing in holland and keanes in Ireland. I wasnt sayin he was up there with cruyff in terms of ability.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I do think that he would be ahead of Staunton McAteer in that he does have numerous coaching badges and has shown leadership on and off the field at Man Utd for 12 and half years. There are lots of negatives too. But he seemed to fit in with the recent squad and the likes of Duff Keane, Morrisson Dunne, Cunningham and Reid were full of praise for him. ANyway what are peoples views on this.

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Bad, Bad Idea.

he is not more qualified than either Staunton or Aldridge. He does not have more coaching badges either - Aldridge has the Uefa Pro Licence, Keane hasn't even started that yet and Staunton has more coaching experience at Uefa A level as far as I know. So to put it simply you could argue all you want but he is NOT more qualified than either those two or indeed MoN, Venables, Hiddink etc etc......its a no-brainer.

If we are to give this job based on qualifications to actually do the job then Roy is way way down that list. Do we suddenly just forget that we want a qualified coach, now that Roy is available - if ALdridge and Staunton aren't good enough for people then neither is Roy....simple! ffs, even big Frank Stapelton is more qualified for the job than Roy. Would be a ridicuolous move for Irish football merely to appease the fans that don't know any better.

Needless to say it should be pointed out that Hughes, Klinnsman & Voller had all completed their UEFA pro licence before being appointed to their managerial positions.

I want an experienced and fully qualified coach. If we are going to appoint half qualified coaches then I may as well throw my hat into the ring now!!!

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Originally Posted by klein4

keane was a legend for ireland in terms of performances and in terms of his club success. thats what I mean when I put him above MacAteer and Stauntan and compare him with Cruyffs situation in regards his standing in holland and keanes in Ireland. I wasnt sayin he was up there with cruyff in terms of ability.

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Well on this basis the job should witout doubt go to Brady. Our most talented/skillful player ever, legend for all his clubs including experience playing in a foreign league plus proven track record developing youth players and as many qualifications as the top european managers just like Johann. I think Brady is more akin to Cryuff than Roy in playing, reputation and coaching ability. :rolleyes:

If the Cryuff selection method is used then it won't be Roy in charge. :)

Is there a source where you can find out who has what badges etc.