Politics or Totty Watch?

[I'll move this to Support when I have a few eyes and replies, leave it here for the moment please.]

I've been thinking about adding one of these as a subforum of OT for a little while now; more Politics than TW, someone else suggested TW. First of all, should I go ahead with it? Bear in mind when replying that, in both cases: a) the rules will be very, very strict; and b) excellent moderators that will need quite a bit of time will be needed.

(I'm not looking for nominations right now, and my usual rule (nomination = disqualification) about them is currently in effect.)

Secondly, what should the rules be? In Politics at the very least I think we would need rules along the lines of Boards.ie, i.e. no news without opinion, no facts without evidence. I think we would need to define specific rules regarding the North too though, because of a slightly higher potential for Trouble on Foot.ie. Pardon the pun.

As regards TW, I'd imagine there should be no nudity. Possibly access to the forum should be by request only, a la the Soccer and Slydice forums on Boards.ie; however if that was the case I might be inclined to allow nudity, as long as it wasn't gaping nudity, if you catch my drift. I think we should also make it accessible to both sexes and all sexualities, i.e. there should be a rule disallowing bitching about boy-toy posts; although posts should be flagged carefully so people don't see what they don't want to see.

If the feedback is good, I'll tack a poll onto this and we'll take a vote. [EDIT: Screw it, poll added, for 20 days.] We're only doing one now, so don't try to push me into doing both. We'll probably come back to the other later though.

I already have a sponsor for skinning the new forum btw. This description will be most appropriate if the vote goes towards TW. :)

adam

Think you're asking for trouble Adam with the politics one. At the moment there's isn't too much political stuff here and the litttle there is is usually decent debate (now Conor74 is gone :) ) I think having its own section wouldn't encourage those who are really into politics (they're going to post it in OT anyway) but rather would encourage the idiots to post.

As for the TW forum, I think to make it viable you'd have to have it for registered members only and you can either have it heavily moderated or make it a "not safe for work" board. Not saying you should have hardore stuff either BTW

The only other forum we have on our board is the Gambling forum. People give hints, tips and picks on all sports. Just an idea

Politics.
I'm not intelligent enough to post on politics.ie:) and we can put celtic and rangers crap in there aswell.
Totty Watch should be left to grow as the glorious thread it is.

Some of the political stuff gets so heavy that it's depressing. It would be nice to have it sectioned off.

Politics if anything.

TW gets on well enough as a single thread, while politics generates plenty of them.

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Originally Posted by Peadar

Some of the political stuff gets so heavy that it's depressing. It would be nice to have it sectioned off.

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Good point.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Think you're asking for trouble Adam with the politics one. At the moment there's isn't too much political stuff here

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You might be right about the former, but I think you could be wrong about the latter. There's actually quite a lot of low-level political discussion in OT imho, or I get that impression anyway. Low-level is good; I like low-level. :)

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the litttle there is is usually decent debate (now Conor74 is gone :) ) I think having its own section wouldn't encourage those who are really into politics (they're going to post it in OT anyway) but rather would encourage the idiots to post.

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You could well be right, but by the same token it might encourage a few people that don't usually think about or talk about politics to browse a little, and maybe join in after a while. Particularly if it /is/ kept low-level, calm and reasonably intelligent. That would be good imho, we need more of that in Ireland.

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As for the TW forum, I think to make it viable you'd have to have it for registered members only

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Definitely.

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and you can either have it heavily moderated

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Definitely.

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or make it a "not safe for work" board. Not saying you should have hardore stuff either BTW

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I actually thought about that, and dismissed it. Not for the TW forum anyway. However I have zero objection to hardcore pornography - not weird or gross stuff, but mainstream hardcore - and would consider it at a later date; because to a certain extent it fits with the laddish/lassish culture of football. However it would have to be a subscription forum, not so much to make money - although I wouldn't complain - but for age verification and terms and conditions purposes. And it wouldn't happen for a good while anyway, Foot.ie still has some stabilising to do before I'd go near it.

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The only other forum we have on our board is the Gambling forum. People give hints, tips and picks on all sports. Just an idea

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It's popped up as a concept before, but there isn't the demand on Foot.ie yet. Maybe later.

Cheers for the feedback.

adam

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Originally Posted by Risteard

I'm not intelligent enough to post on politics.ie:)

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I know that feeling, I regularly feel completely outgunned on the Politics forum on Boards. ;)

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and we can put celtic and rangers crap in there aswell.

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Definitely not. That kind of crap will never be welcome on Foot.ie again. The North in general possibly, but with very strict, specific rules.

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Totty Watch should be left to grow as the glorious thread it is.

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I was kind of thinking that myself.

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Originally Posted by Peadar

Some of the political stuff gets so heavy that it's depressing. It would be nice to have it sectioned off.

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Another good reason.

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Originally Posted by John83

TW gets on well enough as a single thread, while politics generates plenty of them.

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Again, that's my thinking too.

adam

Good idea about Politics one, as long as it doesn't become a 'The North' forum...

Does TW warrant a forum?-it is essentially what Off-Topic is about, not sure it's needed.

Good ideas though

BTW I'd be very, very careful when selecting a mod for the political forum. it'd have to be somebody who'd show absolutely no bias (rules out all corkies :p ) and be smart enough to know whats going on (rules out me and most others...)

You have a few problems. A TW forum will make the place tacky. The TW thread I see more a bit of craic and banter, a forum would make the board a bit tacky and seperate the TW from the banter.

A Politics forum? Hmmmmm. Would be a good outlet for discussion on the board as political expression is a bit curtailed here (for very good reasons though). How would you go about a Politics forum though? You'd have to allow for a fairly full range of opionions on the political spectrum. It could just turn into a left wing/liberal view airing forum where anyone edging to the right would be bludgeoned into silence making the forum pointless. But by doing this you'd have to be prepared for trouble. I'm not saying to allow ********** like views but you'd have to allow expression from the right. I also think that the saying 'attack the post no the poster' would have to be paramount to the rules of such a forum.

I wouldn't have any sub forum on politics or totty watch. Politics descends into farce more often than not and IMO is not worth the hassle. The totty watch thread can just continue as it is in the Off Topic section if there's enough appeal.

Saves you having to appoint a moderator to do a messy job.:)

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

...How would you go about a Politics forum though? You'd have to allow for a fairly full range of opionions on the political spectrum. It could just turn into a left wing/liberal view airing forum where anyone edging to the right would be bludgeoned into silence making the forum pointless...

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That's a very good point. If you create a politics forum, you'll need to be very careful about who you pick to mod it. It's very easy for a mod in that position to supress opinions that don't mesh with his own.

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Originally Posted by dahamsta

I know that feeling, I regularly feel completely outgunned on the Politics forum on Boards. ;)

Definitely not. That kind of crap will never be welcome on Foot.ie again. The North in general possibly, but with very strict, specific rules.

I was kind of thinking that myself.

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Was just looking at the threads in Off Topic there and i reckon if ya had two threads News & Politics and a broad one called community or something that would probably cater for everything imaginable.

All those tabloid news links that A Face puts on at two in the morning about children born with six toes and stuff could even be put onto News & Politics.
Community could cope with stuff like g-mail invites, meet-ups, how to tune your digital channels, advice on holiday destinations etc.
Ya could have totty porn watch then as a totally different forum for subscription or something.

All this of course has to conform with being a footie site i suppose but i don't think people would come here instead of boards.ie to talk about the issues of the day.

I also meant to say. The more forums you add and the more you diversify a board its cohesion begins to weaken and specific forums can become dry. Generally a board that takes this path sees its Off Topic forum become weaker and weaker and this is in essence the soul of most boards. Possibly something to think about too, though you seem to have made your decision to add something Adam.

I'd take this thread as an example of what could happen in a Politics forum:
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=31115&page=2

I don't think Condex has necessarily said anything wrong here. Maybe the militant Islam line was bordering a bit towards the edge. However he simply expressed an alternate view which could be considered not so liberal and was bashed for airing his views. I think his comment that the cultures are perhaps too wide to integrate is not unreasonable yet he was made out to be uneducated and poorly read for not sharing a liberal view.

I went for neither as I'd be worried what type of crap Off Topic would be left with then :D

Don't think totty watch merits it tbh, but can see where the access restrictions would be useful (for both the site and posters).

Politics I'm not sure on. Think it's generally alright here, but then as one of the mods I don't think I'm on enough to prevent threads spiralling out of control like the last Northern one did. One solution on the modding would be 2 mods one from the PD Foot.ie fringe and one of us lefties - no locking's or binnings by either of them without consulting the other.

btw don't see much wrong with the Condex thread linked there. People should put up or not post if - He should be able to argue the point coherently and even if I don't agree, there is an arguement there if he'd make it properly.(as should those responding, DCFC Steve got off his high horse eventually to blast him out of the water, no need for the insults if he'd gone that way first time).

There would definitely be two mods. Profiling would be involved. :)

adam

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I'm not intelligent enough to post on politics.ie

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it has nothing to do with intelligence risteard, all it has to to with is knowledge. if you are knowledeable you can back up any argument/discussion with fact(s) and therefore come across as intelligent a la dcfcsteve. the intelligent part is how you construct your point.

I'm referring to Newshound website again and though it's left of centre, the mods have a bloody awful job trying to control the "drive by ambush" trolls who dump stupid stuff in all threads. Whenever there is a section dealing with Scooter Libby, for example, you get a waterfall of commenst like "...but Clinton got a blow job, that's worse" or "fcuk off to France, ya Commie, left wing, tree hugging, liberals.." etc etc. No matter what they do, they have to continuously delete or put O/T whenever this happens. It is awful time consuming for the mods. Then the trolls, use a different name or hijack someone elses name and continue on in the same vein.

As for totty watch, I'm probably the last one who should comment on that but, while I have no objections to nudity-watchers if that floats their boat, I think there might be many who would object to porn. Dammit, I'm sure there are plenty of porn sites that people can visit if they want their jollies but tasteful nudity or topless (i know, I know, a can of worms there) might be ok. And you just know that, once you link to a porn picture, loads of porn
sh!te is bound to flood into it uninvited, possibly, child porn or beastiality etc.

Besides, Dahamsta, you just know that some dipstick will mention any porn on Foot.ie to the tabloids and you'll end up with "concerned Mothers of 15" screaming in The Sun or Ireland on Sunday about Foot.ie and its "filth dragging our Irish youth in to the gutter" yadda yaddda yadda. I don't think it's worth the hassle. I posted, also, a picture from a bikini selling website which one member thought was making it dodgy for her to click on my examples even though it was merely a selling site NOT anything remotely dodgy.

Another example, I posted a fully clothed Sylvia Saint picture in Tottyland (she IS very pretty) but the receivers got completely different (and explicit) pictures than what I posted. Worse again, the pic of Sylvia I posted was from a NEWS website not a porno site so there seems no protection whatever the source. Peadar knows the technological aspect to that - he explained it to me at the time.

Seriously, the best part of Totty Watch is the banter, wisecracking and slagging that goes on in it. The pics are just a means to have some craic with each other. Seriously.:o

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might encourage a few people that don't usually think about or talk about politics to browse a little

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very good point. i would fall into this category. its a way of increasing your knowledge base, currently a thread ( political that is ) diverses so much that it could be broken into different threads, and those with interest in specifics can browse the separate threads. as peadar says some of it gets very heavy and cant be arsed to read through the whole lot etc.