On for his debut today
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Did decent I thought. A lovely player to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Just for context ben doak and koumas are same age and wide front players who have had excellent season so far in championship on loan and kaide gordan is 18 months older but had lots of injuries and is on.loan at Portsmouth also a wide forward. Then you have Rio who is younger on the bench today and Young same age also on the bench today both wide forwards as well.
Not to mention obviously Diaz gakpo salah chiesa elliott and jota all who can play that position. He is about 11th in the current queue for 2 wide front positions at Liverpool.
Ranel Young has been moved to centre-forward since they sold Harvey Blair to Portsmouth and is 2005. In pre-season, it was Danns followed by Blair, then Danns followed by Young and now with Danns out on loan, it's Young starting centre-forward and Keyrol Figueroa backing him up (the son of Maynor, scorer of that ridiculous free kick for Wigan from his own half)Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Also a slight difference in age, in that he's 18 and they're 19 (Koumas and Doak), and closer to 12 months older than the same age. not that it really matters much either but Gordon is closer to 2 years older than 18 months older...
It goes:
2004 - Gordon
2005 - Doak, Koumas
2006 - Kone-Doherty, Morrison
2008 - Ngumoha
Good at least that he was selected ahead of Ngumoha - i would have expected him to be given the nod off the bench rather than Trent, so that's a good sign.
interesting that Trent played 45 mins on Friday night, not a lot of recovery time before your debut. He was replaced by Young. Mabaya played 71 minutes on Friday and 47 minutes tonight (before being subbed as a sub), Norris an unused sub played 64 minutes on Friday before being replaced by another unused sub in Nallo. Ngumoha was the only lad they saved for the FA match. You'd really expect better planning.
i think he's coming along fine - he's basically where Koumas was last season. you'd hope he's in Jim Crawford's thoughts, although i'd be pleasantly surprised if he was
Who was on co-comms on BBC? When TKD came on he said he had seen him warming up and couldn't believe how fast he was.
Lee DixonQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Call him up, Heimir!
Alan o brien says helloQuote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
in fairness we have a fair few absolute burners with Obafemi, Ogbene and EboseleQuote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
O brien really only had the unreal pace , I don't think there was much ability there football wiseQuote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
The lad is stupidly fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Played 30 mins against Bilbao. Mixed performance. Had a couple of nice runs where there was a nice pass to end it and had another few where he ran into trouble. Had a 1v1 with the keeper which he should have scored. Also had one situation where he was about 4 yard offside in a break, messed up the pass but it was brought back for offside anyway...
wouldn't be surprised to see him in the next u21 squad in a month, absolute lack of wingers from 2004-05 and he's now too old for u19s
He's at an age now where he would benefit from playing regular first-team football, but there hasn't been much chatter about him going out on loan.
i think he's more of a candidate for that in 5 or 12 months. he's still physically pretty slight despite being an absolute burner, pretty sure he's the fastest player at the club. i think they'd like him getting another few months at 21s before exposing him to senior football. with liverpool it generally feels like a case by case basis. While a lot of clubs have very specific approaches when it comes to players and loans, for Liverpool it tends to be about the players physical development and readiness, pathways to first team football, the player's own desires, underage requirements (Some years they've had really awful u21 teams because they loaned out basically all their players who were good enough for 21s. A lot of elite sides won't do that and will prioritise the reserves over individual players):Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
- Trent Alexander-Arnold, Caomhin Kelleher and Curtis Jones never went on loan.
- Jarrell Quansah did 6 months at age 20 in League 1.
- Conor Bradley did season loan at age 19 in League 1.
- Harvey Elliott did a season in the championship age 17.
- Stefan Bajcetic didn't go on loan until after his really bad injury. Broadly speaking broke into the first team age 18, got that bad injury(s) just before turning 19 and went on loan just before turning 20.
- Vitek Jaros is on his 5th loan, now starting for Ajax, having began on loan at St. Pats
Those are probably the blue chip prospects who made the first team squad above. In terms of lads who were sold for £10m+ in the last 4 years:
- Tyler Morton did 2 season loans in the championship his age 20 and 21 seasons (and was at the very fringes of the squad age 19 and 22)
- Sepp Van Der Berg did 3 and a half years on loan between the championship and the bundesliga between age 19 and 22
- Bobby Clark was never loaned out
- Nico Williams did 6 months on loan at age 20
- Harry Wilson had 6 loans ranging from league 1, the championship and premier league between 18 and 24
- Rhian Brewster had a 6 month loan in the championship age 19
Of the current highly thought of prospects:
- Rio Ngumoha has never gone on loan
- Trey Nyoni has never gone on loan
- Ben Doak spent his age 19 season on loan at Boro
- Jayden Danns technically went on loan to Sunderland but in reality never recovered from the injury he had and never left Kirkby
You'd hope that Kone Doherty ends up being thought of in the same vein as the players on the list above in a couple of years time...