2024 final table

What else would you be doing on a slow Sunday morning when there's only 29 games left in the league but casting an eye over the likely outcome of each one to see how it ends up.

I'll admit to a Pats bias (though we're unarguably the form team), but here's what I ended up with.

61 points Derry (winner on GD)
61 points Shels
55 points Pats
54 points Rovers (4th on GD)
54 points Galway
51 points Waterford
50 points Sligo
36 points Bohs
32 points Drogs
28 points Dundalk

I see Derry needing to beat Shels in the last game and doing so.

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Originally Posted by patsdad

What else would you be doing on a slow Sunday morning when there's only 29 games left in the league but casting an eye over the likely outcome of each one to see how it ends up.

I'll admit to a Pats bias (though we're unarguably the form team), but here's what I ended up with.

61 points Derry (winner on GD)
61 points Shels
55 points Pats
54 points Rovers (4th on GD)
54 points Galway
51 points Waterford
50 points Sligo
36 points Bohs
32 points Drogs
28 points Dundalk

I see Derry needing to beat Shels in the last game and doing so.

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Saints fans will be dancing in the streets of Sligo if the table ends that way. The difference in us in the past few weeks have been miraculous work from SK.

Pats have zero chance of finishing ahead of Rovers. They should be praying for derry to win the cup cos 4th is the best you can hope for and Pat's playing against Sligo away in last game of the season will probably decide 4th- And Sligo are very good at home.
Assuming Kelliher splashes the cash again in the off season,next year is the year we can look forward to acres of saint kenny guff in the media as they target a realistic title bid.
Patience is a virtue:)

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Originally Posted by placid casual

Pats have zero chance of finishing ahead of Rovers. They should be praying for derry to win the cup cos 4th is the best you can hope for and Pat's playing against Sligo away in last game of the season will probably decide 4th- And Sligo are very good at home.
Assuming Kelliher splashes the cash again in the off season,next year is the year we can look forward to acres of saint kenny guff in the media as they target a realistic title bid.
Patience is a virtue:)

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Next Friday will likely tell a tale on that. The odds are that you’re right, but zero chance is very strong. I agree with you that next season is when we should really come into our own. Not convinced that much more cash needs to be splashed now, depending on who, if anyone, leaves of course. I like the look of our squad now. We should have Mason Melia for another year, and if Keena can find his scoring boots, and Elbouzedi and Mulraney continue the form they’re in now, that’s as good a front four as you’ll find in the league. If we can hang on to Palmer in midfield that area looks strong too, with Forrestor, Lennon, Leavy and Brandon Kavanagh( who was superb the other night btw) and even McClelland and Aaron Bolger, who are fine back up players.Defence looks ok too. Grivosti has come back well, Redmond is Redmond and Axel Sjoberg has been terrific since he got his fitness sorted.

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Originally Posted by placid casual

Pats have zero chance of finishing ahead of Rovers. They should be praying for derry to win the cup cos 4th is the best you can hope for and Pat's playing against Sligo away in last game of the season will probably decide 4th- And Sligo are very good at home.
Assuming Kelliher splashes the cash again in the off season,next year is the year we can look forward to acres of saint kenny guff in the media as they target a realistic title bid.
Patience is a virtue:)

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I’d be confident we can draw in Tallaght on Friday. And I’ve only given us a draw in Sligo too. But I think we’ll win our home games and the trips to Dalymount and Tolka. Of course you can stay ahead of us if you win most of your other matches. Not sure you will though.

Ambitious by Pats thinking of 3rd when they are currently sitting in 7th spot !

They're only five points off it, and in the last five games they've picked up four points more than Sligo, five points more than Rovers/Galway and Drogheda, and more again than the others.

I don't see why not aim for it.

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We should have Mason Melia for another year, and if Keena can find his scoring boots, and Elbouzedi and Mulraney continue the form they’re in now, that’s as good a front four as you’ll find in the league. If we can hang on to Palmer in midfield that area looks strong too, with Forrestor, Lennon, Leavy and Brandon Kavanagh( who was superb the other night btw) and even McClelland and Aaron Bolger, who are fine back up players.Defence looks ok too. Grivosti has come back well, Redmond is Redmond and Axel Sjoberg has been terrific since he got his fitness sorted.

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Probably more a thread for off season/next season but if I was you I'd be looking for a decent replacement for forrestor ( who won't win you a league imo) and good back up for Redmond. The wingers mentioned are quality and I've a soft spot for kavanagh who I was disappointed to see leave Rovers, keeper seems fine and grivosti and sjoberg the same but you'll need a *squad of 16/17 quality players to win the LOI and I don't think your there yet.

*Shels may prove that theory wrong,but I doubt it.

Can’t see Waterford getting another 8 points

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Pats have zero chance of finishing ahead of Rovers.

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Would you still put it at zero chance?

No,id put it now at about 18% now. You won't be playing against a team so open like that again this season id imagine.

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No,id put it now at about 18% now.

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I think you're being generous.

I can see Shels inching towards the league title, Derry runners up and Rovers 3rd, just as we have now.

Be some craic Derry don't win the cup (or finish in top 3) then as said in another thread, that race to finish 4th, will all be for nothing.

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Originally Posted by oriel

I can see Shels inching towards the league title, Derry runners up and Rovers 3rd, just as we have now.

Be some craic Derry don't win the cup (or finish in top 3) then as said in another thread, that race to finish 4th, will all be for nothing.

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Think you’re spot on in terms of the league there. I don’t think I’ve ever seen 3 teams in a title race that are so cowardly. It’s only a league title lads, it won’t bite!

And to add more 'bite' its an interesting same 2 form the 3 going for the title this year compared to last day 1994/95 when Derry (best team) 'only' had to beat Athlone (possibly already relegated) to win the league (they drew) and Shels (not sure on permutations) had to win, they drew 1-1 with Pats, and Dundalk (we should have finished 4th that year - at best) beat Galway 2-0 to win the league by 1 point.

Mental day that was.

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Originally Posted by oriel

I can see Shels inching towards the league title, Derry runners up and Rovers 3rd, just as we have now.

Be some craic Derry don't win the cup (or finish in top 3) then as said in another thread, that race to finish 4th, will all be for nothing.

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Drogheda are one of the form teams in the league and IMO should be favorites for the cup now. They have beaten Bohs and Derry in recent weeks. Have a striker that's finding a bit of form and look good in defence. The possibility of 4th not getting Europe is very real.

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Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract

Think you’re spot on in terms of the league there. I don’t think I’ve ever seen 3 teams in a title race that are so cowardly. It’s only a league title lads, it won’t bite!

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Again, its going to be so deflating after all the efforts of the teams going for 4th if Derry don't win the cup, and I think they won't, as much as Bohs are just ok this year, they will raise it for the cup semi, that's for sure.

Always think its more special, a team outside the top 3 winning the cup and getting the extra (huge) bonus of european qualification based on that win.

Could the FAI consider not awarding a league trophy this season on the basis that no one deserves it?

I can see Shels dropping more points, but I can't not see Derry failing to capitalise when they do. Every single opportunity that presents itself, Derry let it pass them by.

Weird position to be in, where there is still a double there to be won, but also plenty of people calling for the manager to be sacked.

I love and hate this season.

I have a feeling that St Pats will be very close at season end. They are fully in form now! Pity SK wasnt there at start of season!