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Don’t see prior thread. Returns to LOI football it seems with Shamrock Rovers, failed to impress in the Scottish second tier. QP doing well and scoring goals, should have been able to do force his way into their team if he’s truly destined to be an impactful international for us. Another overinflated LOI export? Or will he eventually come good?
only 1 season of senior football behind him, lets see how he does with shams.
Perfect, now he just needs a season to work his way out of Celtic before it’s too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
I don't think returning home at 19 after failing to make an impression at Queen's Park is quite "perfect"...
Getting anywhere that’s outside of Scotland is perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
That's very short-sighted...
If he didn't make any impact at Celtic - or Queen's Park - in 18 months, then maybe the problem's not with Celtic. Ditto the other guys there.
(And obviously best of luck to him at Rovers, if that's where he ends up)
thing is he seemed to do well with celtic b (yeah terrible standard) so they obviously felt he was ready to play on a promotion chaser in tier below. its probably high time celtic looked at the success rate they have at loaning lads to the tiers below. something is off somewhere, whether it be manager style of play or players lack of suitable attributes. its unquestionably a waste of time to be sending a lot of these lads down there.
It isn’t though,Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Any young player Celtic touch turns to **** either through their progression plan or their loan moves. There’s a reason little to no Scottish under 21 players move there, they obviously know far more about how bad Celtic are in this regard than our players would. Even a player like Hjelde, young Norwegian CB, who they rated very highly got the hell out of there as soon as a PL team showed interest.
Hopefully he has common sense and gets the f**k out of there pronto and Lawal follows, rumours of Brentford circling him, they are both 19 so they still have time make up for lost time they wasted at Celtic.
But that right there lies the problem, what the **** is a player with 11 LOI goals doing playing in the 5th division in Scotland? Also he showed at Sligo he was ready, the Scottish championship wouldn’t be as difficult as the LOI so he he goes from looking like a star in the LOI to looking out of his depth at the championship side in Scotland after a year at Celtic then something has gone wrong in that year in between.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Or maybe 11 goals in the LoI isn't as necessarily as impressive as we'd like to think it is?
"He showed at Sligo he was ready' - what does that actually mean?
you wont find me disputing that anyway. people vastly overrate the quality of the league here. kenny only had 1 full season of adult football , by no means should he have been seen as a cert to make it. do think celtic have an issue with either talent id or loan pathways for players (probably both tbh) . the lower leagues in scotland dont seem conducive to academy players progressing or developing. saying this with irish tinted specs on albeit thing people tend to over exaggerate the level of "talent" we've had at celtic underage over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
He’s playing in the ****ing championship in Scotland… if he was struggling in the SPL I could accept that but in the championship I’m sorry but no.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Or maybe (just maybe) Celtic have got their development of a player wrong for the umpteenth time.
Who overrates it? No one saying it’s great but you shouldn’t go from scoring 11 goals in the SPL to looking pish in the Scottish 2nd division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Can we just stop making b/s excuses for Celtic and just accept it’s a terrible place to develop talent? The evidence for this is overwhelming at this point. Even Scottish underage players stay well clear…what does that tell you?
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Originally Posted by CSAD
loads of people seem to think scoring 11 goals in LOI should translate into double figures in scotland 2nd tier. look the manager may not use him correctly which is on celtic for choosing the club but someone like mcmillan also struggled on moving to scotland and he was an experienced goalscorer here. kenny is very young and needs time to get up to speed with FT footballer life. id relax the cacks a small bit. he has lots of time to grow and develop.
Honestly wouldn't see much of a difference in standard between some Scottish championship clubs and some LOI clubs. You have to be exceptional to make a breakthrough at Celtic. No offence to Johnny but more talented players than him have failed.
Who are these “loads of people” ? The issue here is him going from scoring 11 in the LOI to barely looking capable of playing at Championship level that’s the problem… it’s not just the manager as these problems were there before Ange arrived, the problem is the overall culture at Celtic. Yes they can keep papering over these cracks by buying in average players from abroad but it will come back to bite them eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
He does and he can start by getting tf out of Celtic as soon as possible. Go on loan at Shamrock Rovers and try build momentum there and hopefully that prompts and English team to sign him or bring him into their academy.
That's a fair post I think. You look at the players at Celtic of late - Afolabi had numerous chances at other, didn't make any impression, and is now back at Bohs. Scales was singled out for their Euro exit against Bodo it seems, and has been deemed not good enough; he's dropped down to Aberdeen. Connell dropped down to the English third tier, which isn't the level of player Celtic want. Lee O'Connor is in his third season with Tranmere in the English fourth tier. There's others too presumably - but really how many calls have they gotten wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
I can see that a club like Celtic can be a risk for a young player - there's next to no chance of getting into the first team, the club may have one or two main prospects it's targetting in the academy and the rest (possibly including Kenny) are just padding to play alongside those prospects, so they can be developed and sold to justify the academy. Other LoI players have gone to lower SPL sides and done alright for themselves, although very few have troubled the national team (Hoolahan really the only one to make an impression I think)
One thing I will say is if Kenny is coming back to the LoI (if the Rovers move is a loan with an option to buy), then it's after a disappointingly short period of time, and you'd wonder why that is.
Just to be clear - are you saying Celtic shouldn't have bought the likes of Mooy, Carter-Vickers, Maeda and Juranovic (all of whom were at the World Cup) and would have been better off with Kenny/Connell/Afolabi in their team?Quote:
Originally Posted by CSAD
Cos if the former are average players, I don't know what you'd call the latter...
There in lies another issue with Celtic. You shouldn’t need to be exceptional to break through at Celtic, they aren’t that good, it again speaks volumes about how terrible their progression plan is rather than them being any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA
Nope, that’s you trying to put words in my mouth, the point is finding a decent balance between bringing in players and bringing through players from the academy.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
At Celtic the idea seems to be only bring in players and give young players a-few token appearances just to give the illusion that they give youth a chance.