UEFSA Coefficients Thread

Might as well open this thread for the European run. Most people know this but I'll say it anyway. Since we have 3 teams representing Ireland a win in the qualifying round is worth 0.333 points. A draw is worth 0.166. A win or draw in the CL or UEFA cup proper is worth double (so 0.666 and 0.333 respectively).

In the latest official rankings Ireland was in 38th place. We lose the 1.666 points from the 2000/2001 season now though so for the the rankings now in progress since the CL began yesterday we started off in 43rd place. Shels won tonight while 3 teams countries directly above Ireland all lost (Albania - Teuta Durrës; Malta - Birkirkara; Armenia - Banants Yerevan) so we have now moved up to 40th place.

Here are the current ranking being updated after every match:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2006.html

Here are all the countries and their representatives for this season:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...ccoef2006.html

The country above us, Belarus, had Dinamo Minsk playing tonight and they drew at home to a team from Cyprus. The only Liechtenstein representative, as usual, is Vaduz and they will be in the UEFA cup. The Icelandic team lost 2-0 away to a team from Azerbaijan last night.

Team coefficients only count in the UEFA cup or CL proper so we can leave that for a while. :) If you want to know how to calculate a club coefficient just ask.

I think the first qualifying rounds should bring Ireland at least 1.333 points and at least 2 clubs progressing to the next round.

With a bit of luck that will be the case. Shels will hopefully get another win next week and Longford should progress, either through a win and a draw or ideally by winning twice too, they will never face an easier side in europe. Cork it's hard to know what to make of their chances but they're bang in form so should be capable of doing something for us, if they can progress and all three teams progress that would be absolutley amazing for us.

If Longford and Shels, both favourites to win their next games do so, we're doing very well. We've been dreading loseing the 1.666 season for ages, we have a great chance to make that loss barely noticable now.

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Shels won tonight while 3 teams countries directly above Ireland all lost (Albania - Teuta Durrës; Malta - Birkirkara; Armenia - Banants Yerevan) so we have now moved up to 40th place.

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Some good results alright. No real need to worry about catching Liechtenstein as they only have the one team, and none in the CL. If we get a good run, we could catch up to Macedonia in 36th, but I'd be happy with getting back to 38th (or 39th behind Liechtenstein) and then making some ground in the next three years when we lose 1.165 in total.

Edit - If we can get 1.666 every year, we'd end up on 8.330, which would be 27th place. We'd then be pushing for a bye into the CL round 2, and possibly into UEFA QR2, which would mean better chance of getting into the competitions proper and getting double points to move us up further. Sounds so easy, doesn't it?!

If the FAI got behind every club in a big way and pumped money into the game to improve facilities and each club broke it's backside to get people through the gates we could make good strides forward in Europe but everyone needs to row into together.

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Originally Posted by Wiseguy

If the FAI got behind every club in a big way and pumped money into the game to improve facilities...

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They may do something more if they had control over the eircom League.
At the moment, the eircom League is self governing.

Isn't there a seperate coefficient award for winning the tie too?

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

No real need to worry about catching Liechtenstein as they only have the one team

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And they're not playing Longford this year so we should be okay :p

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Isn't there a seperate coefficient award for winning the tie too?

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No it's all about the matches which I find a bit stupid, it should simply be about who wins the tie. Some side beat another side 6-0 on tuesday, they could field some reserves next week and lose 1-0 or something like that, and both sides get the same co-efficent from that. That makes no sense to me, but that's the way it is, so if Shels can get another win in Tolka that would be fantastic.

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Originally Posted by Peadar

the eircom League is self governing.

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Or not, as the case may be ! :eek: :)

Good to have you back in the mix Peader

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

With a bit of luck that will be the case. Shels will hopefully get another win next week and Longford should progress, either through a win and a draw or ideally by winning twice too, they will never face an easier side in europe. Cork it's hard to know what to make of their chances but they're bang in form so should be capable of doing something for us, if they can progress and all three teams progress that would be absolutley amazing for us.

If Longford and Shels, both favourites to win their next games do so, we're doing very well. We've been dreading loseing the 1.666 season for ages, we have a great chance to make that loss barely noticable now.

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From a seeding point of view the league really needs Longford and Cork to get wins. Just noticed that Iceland's representatives are drawn against teams from Luxembourg and the Faroe Islands so Iceland is probably going to get four wins from these ties. Latvia has also gotten "favourable" draws so the onus is on Cork and Longford tonight if our representatives are going to be seeded in future years.

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

Isn't there a seperate coefficient award for winning the tie too?

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Not at qualifying level, but there are bonuses for getting into the Group stages of the CL (if you look at the Bert Kassies site, you'll see that the top countries already have points even though they've not played), and possibly for winning tournaments.

As soon as you get up to 25th place and gain a bye into round 2 you are again up against it. You cant get coefficient points if your not in the Round 1.

We would be playing sides who won the first round and not sides like Glentoran who are weaker then us. (sorry Glentoran!!) Its real make or break time when you get a bye and if you fail for a year or two your right back where you started but I suppose thats where we want to be so lets aim for this 2points a year and see where we get.

0.333 down 1.667 to go!!

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Originally Posted by higgins

As soon as you get up to 25th place and gain a bye into round 2 you are again up against it. You cant get coefficient points if your not in the Round 1.

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Thats a good point, it's a Catch 22. But having played in round 2 would still stand to you in future and it shouldn't take as long to build up the coeffs

If you get to the second round as a seeded team and have a good club co-efficent you should be seeded in that round, so should face opposition you'd expect to beat for a place in the third round which is then a 4 game minimum from there.

There's only 3/4 teams who go straight into the second round and aren't seeded.

BATE from Belarus are winning 1-0 away to a team from Georgia. Not good.

Somebody has to win the tie or the game so its not a major problem. As long as Irish teams are picking up points then its ok. I suppose draws will be the best way to go but if we are winning then no need to worry about others.

We were happy to oblige today, and more to come from us next week :)

Troy,
I thought I remembered you from such supporters clubs as "U is for UCD?"

You may well but Im not sure that I knew too many from Kerry. I still pop out there every now and then to say hi to Aberdeen Stu, Schumi and the lads.

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Originally Posted by Troy.McClure

You may well but Im not sure that I knew too many from Kerry. I still pop out there every now and then to say hi to Aberdeen Stu, Schumi and the lads.

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I don't actually know you, it was kind of a play on your username. In the more recent posts you seem to be posing as a Cark supporter.....

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

I don't actually know you, it was kind of a play on your username. In the more recent posts you seem to be posing as a Cark supporter.....

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Agh! If I got a euro for every time.....

Ya Im a cork supporter, and I done even go to UCD anymore, Im just too lazy to change my profile :o (in true student fashion)