Today I'm ashamed to be Irish

after what went on last nite

The filth and abuse showered on fellow football supporters that travelled half the globe to be here was a disgrace
Outside murrays last nite and gangs of "Irish" fans hurling abuse at the passing isrealis.

Palestine flag waving was bad enough,but chanting Murderers at them ( glass houses concept was lost on them ) but to have gangs of irish fans giving nazi salutes at them made me cringe

And as for our supposed "official supporters club", 2 of them ,dressed in their official black t-shirts ,hurling pints of stout at people walking past.I never came as close in my life to hitting someone as I did at that moment

For years ,away fans have strived to show that we are the best fans to travel, we enjoy ourselves,have a party etc etc .Last night detroyed that concept of Ireland fans being special, we are now as bad as The English

we went to Isreal and were treated with respect ,had a great beach party and a enjoyable few days ,How would people have felt if isreal supporters had lined the streets ,hurling beer at us ,calling us murderers while waving union jacks on our faces ?????????

Because that is exactly what "Irish people " did last night

Murrays is usually a good place too! But sure what can you do. Although after the match i was so angry i probably would have been shouting the same things. Its the late kick-offs. Everyone is ****ed!

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Originally Posted by Curtains

But sure what can you do. Although after the match i was so angry i probably would have been shouting the same things. Its the late kick-offs. Everyone is ****ed!

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You could condemn the incidents mentioned- nobody really thinks they're representative of fans as a whole- instead of offering weak excuses for them.

I dont agree with what the fans were puting forward just the totally wrong place to do it and totally the wrong way to do it. If you probably asked half of them why they were holding palestine flags they would not be able to tell you. Thats what annoys me more, especially seeing as we are meant to be the best supporters in the world. I have never been abused when at an away match so I totally condemn it!

Some of the people handing out the Palestinian flags really p!ssed me off, one followed me down the street trying force me to take a flag. Why mix politics and football? There was a serious knob in the West Stand beside me shouting "come on the PLO" at the Israeli keeper as he came off, same sort of knob who wears a Celtic jersey to an Ireland match.

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Originally Posted by Duncan Gardner

You could condemn the incidents mentioned- nobody really thinks they're representative of fans as a whole- instead of offering weak excuses for them.

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Agreed !

Saying that drink or the performance was the cause is pathetic-this was happening at 6pm
I told 3 cork city fans that they were letting our club down by doing it ,and they couldn't give a sh!te ,they kept doing it
In the ground,a bray fan,2 rovers fans and a bohs fan stood there giving nazi salutes-stewards and cops came from all over the place and stood on front of us because of these scumbags
Considering some of the republican songs that these people were singing ,the irony of them shouting murderers at the isreali people was astounding
I generally dislike watching Ireland games at home because of the crowds ,the away crowd is always a better craic,and are more pssionate fans , but last night,for the first time in my life ,I felt really ashamed to be of the same nationality as these people

no one around tried to stop it. It's sad, you are right, especially after the warm welcome the irish got in TA. What surprises me even more that no one here even has the "courage" to comment this thread and say-i agree. Even before the match, when i've seen people here concentrating on how to protest against the israelis, instead of concentrating on the game.
And the result-at tie, at home. As far as the way you played, you deserved to win. But as far as being a good sports, i think a lost would have been much more suitable.

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Originally Posted by Don Vito

same sort of knob who wears a Celtic jersey to an Ireland match.

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Here we go...............give it a rest yeah? :D

Glad that this was a minority of fans. I shouted some stuff I shouldn't have butluckily was only at the tv. Hope the fans who did this are trully sorry-it was unacceptable and we are better than that.......and will be better than that in Germany ;)

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Originally Posted by liam88

Here we go...............give it a rest yeah? :D

Glad that this was a minority of fans. I shouted some stuff I shouldn't have butluckily was only at the tv. Hope the fans who did this are trully sorry-it was unacceptable and we are better than that.......and will be better than that in Germany ;)

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if you watched it on tv ,then don't take this the wrong way ,but you are commenting on something that you havn't seen or heard .It was more than the trapsed out lines of "minority".thats generally trotted out to discredit the numbers of people .There was a hellova lot of people doing this -And I was just outside murrays , can't imagine what the numbers would have been on other parts of the ground but freinds elsewhere told me similar stories
I woke up this morning with a hangover,annoyed over the fumblings of kerr , but it was the memory of our supposed fans that hurts more than anything

It was people of all different clubs, I was in the EL section and there were bohs,rovers,celtic,cork city,bray,shels and countless other EL shirted fans doing this
Outside the ground pre game was even worse

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Originally Posted by redgav

if you watched it on tv ,then don't take this the wrong way ,but you are commenting on something that you havn't seen or heard .It was more than the trapsed out lines of "minority".thats generally trotted out to discredit the numbers of people .There was a hellova lot of people doing this -And I was just outside murrays , can't imagine what the numbers would have been on other parts of the ground but freinds elsewhere told me similar stories
I woke up this morning with a hangover,annoyed over the fumblings of kerr , but it was the memory of our supposed fans that hurts more than anything

It was people of all different clubs, I was in the EL section and there were bohs,rovers,celtic,cork city,bray,shels and countless other EL shirted fans doing this
Outside the ground pre game was even worse

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Fair juice mate I get what your saying-obviously actually being there your going to see more of it. Sad news and hope it won't happen again.

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Originally Posted by Lenny

no one around tried to stop it. It's sad, you are right, especially after the warm welcome the irish got in TA. What surprises me even more that no one here even has the "courage" to comment this thread and say-i agree. Even before the match, when i've seen people here concentrating on how to protest against the israelis, instead of concentrating on the game.

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Instead of trolling elsewhere, why didn't you just come out and say that this was going on? If that's why you're trying to stir things up, then I understand your grievance, but there's more constructive ways of making your point than trying to flame other board users.

:ball: PP

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Originally Posted by redgav

we are now as bad as The English

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I'm sorry, but we are not and will never be, as bad as the English in terms of football hooligans.

I was afraid this would happen. The requests for bearing Palestine flags was making me feel worried in advance, half of the people accepting the flag probably did it with the intention of just hurting the Israeli players and fans. I'm glad I sticked to my choice of going to Windsor instead of paying way too much money for a second hand ticket to the Israel game. I would probably just feel ashamed to be in that public...

It was expectable this would happen. Happens everywhere. Back in my native Belgium, people in the public were making Hitler salutes during a Futsal game vs Israel. And in Holland several times fans were banned from the ground when insulting Ajax fans because of the many Jewish signs on their banners...

Everywhere Israel comes, this is happening. The world has not learnt from its disastrous past. I won't comment on the situation in Palestina, I'll leave that for politics forums, but to take the blame on Israeli citizens who are not to blame is unacceptable. Those who really have a problem with the war should point their flags towards the Israeli/Palestinian governments, and leave the innocent citizens in peace when watching a football game.

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Originally Posted by Don Vito

same sort of knob who wears a Celtic jersey to an Ireland match.

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If you look across the stand there are nearly more Celtic jerseys than green ones :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Don Vito

There was a serious knob in the West Stand beside me shouting "come on the PLO" at the Israeli keeper as he came off, .

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fukin idiots like that should stay at home

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Originally Posted by sligoman

I'm sorry, but we are not and will never be, as bad as the English in terms of football hooligans.

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That was hooliganism last nite - what else do you call 2 scumbags throwing pints of ber at passing fans ??? is that not inciting trouble ????deny it or stay in your shell or stick,your fingers in your ears ,all you are doing is denying it to yourself.Any decent football supporter that was there last night could see it .English fans make nazi salutes at opposition fans,madrid fans did the same, no we are doing it .The only difference is RTE didn't bother putting their cameras on it to show everyone apparently

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Originally Posted by redgav

That was hooliganism last nite - what else do you call 2 scumbags throwing pints of ber at passing fans ???

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A typical night out in Dublin(or any other city for that matter).

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Originally Posted by sligoman

A typical night out in Dublin(or any other city for that matter).

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Yeah I agree- every friday night i stand outside my boozer singin wheres yer f**eskin gone,while dressed in black makin nazi salutes, throwin pints of stout over women and kids walking past all the while calling them murderers (depite my own country's history) and I feel big about myself for doing it.........think I'll avoid sligo if thats your idea of a good nite out

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Originally Posted by redgav

Yeah I agree- every friday night i stand outside my boozer singin wheres yer f**eskin gone,while dressed in black makin nazi salutes, throwin pints of stout over women and kids walking past all the while calling them murderers (depite my own country's history) and I feel big about myself for doing it.........think I'll avoid sligo if thats your idea of a good nite out

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First of all I didnt say it was a good night out, I said it was a typical night out in any city. Second, there is scumbags everywhere, and this is what they do every night of the week, just last night they got Israel fans and you did'nt like it(either would I for that matter). But if you were out on the town are you telling me you dont see the scumbags abusing other Irish people? You just felt you had to say something because it was the Israelis that were been abused. But as I've said this happens every night of the week to Irish people, been attacked for no reason, I'm not saying it's right, but it's reality.

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Originally Posted by sligoman

First of all I didnt say it was a good night out, I said it was a typical night out in any city. Second, there is scumbags everywhere, and this is what they do every night of the week, just last night they got Israel fans and you did'nt like it(either would I for that matter). But if you were out on the town are you telling me you dont see the scumbags abusing other Irish people? You just felt you had to say something because it was the Israelis that were been abused. But as I've said this happens every night of the week to Irish people, been attacked for no reason, I'm not saying it's right, but it's reality.

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Heres a list of things I've never seen outside my boozer
1. people en masse making NAZI salutes at passing men women and kids
2. People throwing pints at women and kids on the opposite side of the street
3.People screaming murderers at passing men,women and kids
4 people bringing plo flags to a pub to wave at any isrealis that may fly in for the nite for a pint


what happens in pubs or towns around the country has absoloutly nothing whatsoever to do with what went on last nite .ALL of this was directed at a race of people,based on nonsical ideals by people who didn't know what they wer actually protesting at

I'm disgusted to hear about what happened outside Murrays. I have a bad feeling that there were probably many more incidents.

I was embarrassed last night at the amount of Palistinian flags at Lansdowne. I'm not so much annoyed with the people who were handing out the flags outside the groound, at least these people may have an axe to grind with Israel or have at least done their research and anyway their presence was a legitimate protest. As for the fans inside the ground who displyed the palistinian colours, well that's just plain immaturity and ignorance. As someone else said it's akin to the Israelis parading union jacks.

Sure I was angry last night at the Israeli team, I booed them off at the end especially their goalkeeper, but this was down to football reasons I felt they spoilt the game. But if any other team had acted like that I would have done the same.

What sickens me ultimately is the abused that the Israeli fans received. I was in the West stand upper and when the Irish fans were exiting at the left hand side of the West stand looking over the Israeli fans in the North terrace some Irish fans were giving them the two fingers salute and again shoving palistinian flags in their face. The Israeli fans responded by waving their own flag and giving the peace sign.

When it comes to the middle east I sympathise with the Palistinian people because of the behaviour of the Israeli government (Sharon is a ******) and army. Historically as a nation we understand what it's like to suffer at the hands of injustice. However the situatiom is extremely complex. The Israeli people have suffered too, just think of horrific suicide bombings that occur and of the innocent lives lost. I'm not sure if the Irish fan waving palistinian flags last night are aware of the great peace movement that exist among a lot of progressive Israelis who yearn for peace and justice for all. Ironically the Israeli fans & players last night at Lansdowne road may have and more than likely be of this mindframe.