A Mick McCarthy side.....

Winning 2-0 against a poor Isreal side would never have surrendered like we did last night, infact it would have ended up 5/6-0. Our subs last night were predictable and what must young Elliot feel like when he see's the likes of Doherty coming on ahead of him trying to win us an important game. Elliot scored a lot of goals for Sunderland this year and anytime I've seen him looks a good wee player, instead Kerr goes with the tried and trusted.

BK has to start giving the young ones more run outs in friendlies cause it back-fired on us last night, look at the bench, there wasn't much experience yet these are the same players that have sat on the bench the last year and a half without ever getting a proper run out.

In this years group we should have beaten a poor French side, WE DIDN'T, we should have held on against a poor Isreal side away from home, WE DIDN'T, we were 2-0 up against the same poor Isreal side at home and still DIDN'T win.

I was a BK fan and still am but this is really poor

selective memory, huh...

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Originally Posted by Orchard Celt

Our subs last night were predictable and what must young Elliot feel like when he see's the likes of Doherty coming on ahead of him trying to win us an important game

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No matter what ya say about doherty, he came on and did exactly what he was asked to last night, you cant fault him on that performance.

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Originally Posted by jimbob117

No matter what ya say about doherty, he came on and did exactly what he was asked to last night, you cant fault him on that performance.

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I remembr one header which ended up in Kilkenny

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Originally Posted by Soper

I remembr one header which ended up in Kilkenny

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yeah, he may have misdirected one header but the guy won every ball and gave us options we didnt have before he came on. he was basically a nuisance to their defense.

I remember quite a few headers that he headed across the goal into the path of strikers. Unfortunately the Israelis seemed to use some kind of US weapons technology to erect a force field around the goal, it's the only explanation I can think of.

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Originally Posted by jimbob117

No matter what ya say about doherty, he came on and did exactly what he was asked to last night, you cant fault him on that performance.

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Its not Doherty I'am having go at, but once he came on it was route 1 stuff, he won his fair share of headers and to be honest played OK I thought, but its dissappointing that were still going down this route when we have a young striker who's had a great season for Sunderland not been given the chance to see what he can do. We had the ball played into the right area's last night, but once Keane went off we never had a striker or mid-fielder running into these area's meaning Isreal could easily clear the ball

Hilarious thread. How mant times did McCarthy teams concede last minute goals??? Yugoslavia, Croatia...McCarhtys teams had great difficulty with holiding leads.

Doherty had something like 80%+ success rate with headers & the other 20% he was fouled.

We may disagree with Kerrs decisions but bar Elliot he had no other optiosn on the bench.

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Originally Posted by pete

Hilarious thread. How mant times did McCarthy teams concede last minute goals??? Yugoslavia, Croatia...McCarhtys teams had great difficulty with holiding leads.

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What ever you say about McCarthy we never failed to make the playoffs under his stewardship, now its a strong possibilty that it will happen for the second time running because we'll have to take at least four point from the Swiss French matches to make them.

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Originally Posted by Don Vito

What ever you say about McCarthy we never failed to make the playoffs under his stewardship, now its a strong possibilty that it will happen for the second time running because we'll have to take at least four point from the Swiss French matches to make them.

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Thats not true at all. i mean if we beat one of them, we are more or less gaurenteed a play off place once we draw with the other one, and we are a very hard team to beat under kerr.

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Originally Posted by Orchard Celt

Winning 2-0 against a poor Isreal side would never have surrendered like we did last night, infact it would have ended up 5/6-0. Our subs last night were predictable and what must young Elliot feel like when he see's the likes of Doherty coming on ahead of him trying to win us an important game. Elliot scored a lot of goals for Sunderland this year and anytime I've seen him looks a good wee player, instead Kerr goes with the tried and trusted.

BK has to start giving the young ones more run outs in friendlies cause it back-fired on us last night, look at the bench, there wasn't much experience yet these are the same players that have sat on the bench the last year and a half without ever getting a proper run out.

In this years group we should have beaten a poor French side, WE DIDN'T, we should have held on against a poor Isreal side away from home, WE DIDN'T, we were 2-0 up against the same poor Isreal side at home and still DIDN'T win.

I was a BK fan and still am but this is really poor

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http://www.soccernet.com/euro2000/ne...010irerep.html

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Originally Posted by jimbob117

Thats not true at all. i mean if we beat one of them, we are more or less gaurenteed a play off place once we draw with the other one, and we are a very hard team to beat under kerr.

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Thats what I said Jimbob! Beat one of them and draw with the other, i.e. take four points. I seriously doubt we can do that based on our recent performances, the last time we won a meaningful match was almost four years ago against Holland. And with Kerr morphing onto a Gerrard Houllier style mentality I just don't think we have the killer insticnt. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong but I just cant see it at the moment. Typical isnt it-a major tournament reasonably close and we fcuk it up.

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Originally Posted by Don Vito

Thats what I said Jimbob! Beat one of them and draw with the other, i.e. take four points. I seriously doubt we can do that based on our recent performances, the last time we won a meaningful match was almost four years ago against Holland. And with Kerr morphing onto a Gerrard Houllier style mentality I just don't think we have the killer insticnt. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong but I just cant see it at the moment. Typical isnt it-a major tournament reasonably close and we fcuk it up.

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Sorry, i thought u meant take 4 points from BOTH sides.
True, the last meaningful match we won was 4 yrs ago,but russia and switzerland wasnt really kerrs team so the 2 upcoming group home games are what will make or brake him. and i still believe we played well yesterday, it was a freak occurence

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Originally Posted by pete

Hilarious thread. How mant times did McCarthy teams concede last minute goals??? Yugoslavia, Croatia...McCarhtys teams had great difficulty with holiding leads.

Doherty had something like 80%+ success rate with headers & the other 20% he was fouled.

We may disagree with Kerrs decisions but bar Elliot he had no other optiosn on the bench.

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So just cos McCarthy's sides conceded last minute goals its justifies this performance. If you haven't noticed McCarthy is long gone(and doing well with Sunderland mind you :) ) and Kerr has to stand on his own two legs and hold up his hand. Correct me if I'm wrong but the set of players that was out there yesterday never gave away a two nil lead to anyone in Landsdowne yet against such weak oppostion. Kerr needs to hold his hand up cos it was his change(or the management in general) that turned the tables. When he took off Robbie he should have brought on another forward, Elliot or the Doc(who did wll :) ) - a straight 'positive' switch. Instead the team was altered in a few areas to suit the oncoming Kavanagh moving our most creative player Duff a few times (who was creating everything on the left) against the no.21. When Kilbane moved out that side died, while Duff was gettin' a hard time of it. Kavanagh did Ok but shouldve given Reid more freedom. O'Shea could have been subed, really awful, worst performance I've seen in ages.

So there it is, no blaming McCarthy, the ref or anyone else. We gave away a comfortable lead AT HOME to a poor side. Kerr its on you man! :(

we waz robbed, stop blaming greener

If Ireland were losing or drawing Mick would take of a defender and go with 3 at the back and 3 up front. he always did that when things didnt go his way sometimes it work(World Cup 2002) and sometimes it didnt(Swiss 2002).

But you cant say if this was a Mick McCarthy side we would of won. you can keep conparing with the past. the lads played well and were unlucky not to win.

stop dredging back to the past ffs.. if this was a mick side .. ffs its not .. get over it .. we played well second half luck and refs decisions were not on our side ..

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Originally Posted by Irish Pride

If Ireland were losing or drawing Mick would take of a defender and go with 3 at the back and 3 up front. he always did that when things didnt go his way sometimes it work(World Cup 2002) and sometimes it didnt(Swiss 2002).

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I don't remember going 3 at the back in World Cup 2002 - maybe against Germany - but the twice I do remember were Russia away and Switzerland at home. Both times absolute disasters.

Having watched the highlights on Sky we were desparately unlucky. Definite penalty and red card in the opening minutes, good shout for a penalty when O'Shea was tugged, several clearnces off the line, we completley dominated and were very unlucky.

holland, anyone :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by thecorner

holland, anyone :rolleyes:

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Not only Amsterdam in 2000 but also ;

1-0 up against the great Macedonia - LOST 3-2

1-0 up against Belgium and Turkey AT HOME in the play offs and drew both to go out after the 2nd legs.

And dont mention a 10 man Spain in Suwon that he failed to notice.

Not taking Kerr's side here cus I have gone off him big time.