What happened to him?Does anybody remember him?
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What happened to him?Does anybody remember him?
Joe Waters was born in Limerick, , and had won Schoolboy and Youth caps for Ireland before being snapped up by Leicester City, for whom he turned professional in December 1973. He struggled to gain a First Team place at Filbert Street - Leicester's ground at that time - though he did win the BBC Goal of the Month competition while there. In 1976, he arrived at Blundell Park on loan, and made a scoring debut on 24 January at Millwall, literally in the Lions' Den, to earn Town a share of the points.
However, the usual story was that Town, though they would like to have kept the diminutive midfielder, were strapped for cash, and £10,000 was out of the price range of Town's boss Tom Casey. There was such an outcry from the fans, that with a £2,000 donation from the now-defunct Supporters Club, Waters was signed, and he made a total of 19 appearances in what remained of his initial season as a Mariner.
In Joe's first season with Town, things were at a low ebb, and the Mariners were heading for the Fourth Division. Casey, and then Newman used a total of 25 players. At a time when just one substitute was allowed, that figure alone tells its own story; if you want to find a season when Town struggled, simply look for an unsettled line-up! Only four players made 40 or more appearances, and though Joe was one of those, even he had appeared in three different positions, including full-back.
He made his full international debut in 1977 in a match versus Turkey.
While Newman took a season in Division Four to find his best side, Joe was popping up into scoring positions and knocking in a good tally of 8 goals from midfield. His 'penalty king' status had yet to be conferred on him - these were all goals from open play. Waters had also made the number 4 shirt his own - just once appearing at full-back in making the full 46 league appearances.
The 1978-9 season saw Town runners-up in Division 4. Joe was captain for the assault on the Division Four promotion spots. Waters again made the full complement of games, along with Nigel Batch, Kevin Moore, and new-boy Dean Crombie - brought from Lincoln City by Newman's number 2 George Kerr. Mike Brolly missed just 2 games and Tony Ford three. By the end of the season, the settled side was: Nigel Batch, Dave Moore, Kev Moore, Joe Waters, Clive Wiggington, Dean Crombie, Mike Brolly, Tony Ford, Kev Drinkell, Mike Lester and Bobby Cumming.
After this success Newman left, and his replacement, George Kerr's first task was to persuade the Irishman to stay at Blundell Park to captain the side for a similar assault on Division 3. Fortunately for Town, George was successful in his attempts, and Waters stayed to play a significant part once more in Town's promotion as Champions.
Though elsewhere you may read that Joe's large goals haul was down to his penalty taking, this is not borne out by the facts. By the beginning of the 1979-80 season he had scored 25 league goals, and 22 of those were from open play. The 1979-80 season saw Town with a forward line that would have tried the best in the land - DID try the best in the land! With Drinkell, Kilmore, Ford and Cumming raiding in the box, penalties came on a regular basis as defenders sought to stop the incessant Town onslaughts. Waters skill from twelve yards now began to pay huge dividends as half of his eight goals came from the spot, with another couple 'open-play' goals in the FA Cup. Under the charismatic Irishman, the Mariners prospered in the League, and both the League and FA Cups. The League Cup run went to 9 games, including a three-times-played fifth round tie with Wolves. The FA Cup ran to four matches before Liverpool won decisively at Anfield. 59 matches for the Mariners, 59 matches for Waters. And when Sheffield United came to Blundell Park on the last day of the season, a hat-trick from Kevin Drinkell, and the inevitable through-the-middle goal from the Captain - Waters - saw the Championship Trophy safely into the hands of Town's Captain Courageous.
A third successive promotion under the skipper looked on the cards during 1980-81. Despite a tentative start, Town had a marvellous run from Mid-November to the end of March, during which time they lost only two matches. Of his 10 league goals, 6 were from the spot, as Joe again chalked up a full set of appearances. Town's form deserted them right at the end of the season as they ended just 5 points from promotion.
By the time Waters limped off after 12 league matches of the 1981-2 season he had created a new record for consecutive appearances - 226 - on the trot (since beaten by Paul Groves). Though the league season was not one of Town's best, it will be remembered for the 6-1 FA Cup win over Millwall followed in the next round by a 2-1 win at Newcastle. The League Group Cup saw Town win every game including the final against Wimbledon at Blundell Park, and Waters picking up the cup - which Town still hold as the competition never ran again.
The following season, Joe was second top scorer with 8 goals, as Town struggled, but 1983-4 almost saw the miracle of Town once more in the elite of English football. Indeed, finishing fifth, these days Town would have been in the play-offs, but back in the early eighties the idea had not yet arisen. From early October to the end of February Town lost just one game, but as the season drew to an end, Town lost their captain, and with it possibility of a return to Division One. It was Joe Waters' swansong at Town.
He moved to the USA where the 'American 6s' were fashionable, and he inevitably enjoyed success there too.
However, in 1987, following the disastrous fall from the (then) Second Division under Mike Lyons, it was rumoured that Joe was a serious contender for the Manager's post at Blundell Park. Town fans everywhere were hoping that it was true, and that once more the genial Irishman would strut his stuff at Grimsby, if not actually on the pitch. It would have been a decision that would have brought an enormous boost in interest and in gates. In the event Bobby Roberts was appointed ... and Town slipped unceremoniously into the (old) Fourth Division.
great post joe!! :D
Remember him,I feel as if I know him all my life...Thanks JoeQuote:
Originally Posted by Castle Barracks
Was he from Kennedy Park ?
I think he was from the Dublin Rd/Clare St/Rhebogue side of the world, as I know a few members of his family live down there...his brother Dermot was a decent rugby player and is still very involved in the Richmond club.
Joe played junior and under-age with Pike, and his first ever international jersey is on the wall of the clubhouse.
He was brought to my attention when he burst on to the scene during Leicester's FA Cup run in 1974!This was a great Leicester side containing the likes of Frank Worthington,Keith Weller,Alan Birchenall,Mark Wallington,Steve Whitworth & David Cross!The fact that he was from Limerick obviously added to my (and family's) interest!According to my Mam he was from Garryowen & lived about three doors away from my aunt,who lived at Kilmurry Avenue!
I can honestly say that i know where Joe is. I ran across this page in writing a paper on him. He is the head coach at my high School in Washington State. I see him every day. So for those of you wondering what happened to him he came to the states some years ago after his Premiere League days and he played for a pro team here until his retirement from playing and started his coaching days. If anyone has any questions about Joe feel free to ask.
Does he have any decent players he can send our way? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by eweiss
This post mentions JOE so I'm on topic:p :)
Are Joe O'Mahoney or Waters FTM involved in football these days??
Joe O'Mahoney drifted in and out of football, coaching mostly at underage level with Pike Rovers, and he also had a brief stint as the Junior Manager at Pike. He's had some personal problems but seems to be getting on top of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirhamish
Waters seems tobe involved in the States at some level.
Cheers Joe Soap - hope things get better for Joe O'Mahoney - met him a few times when he was playing for Limerick and he seemed a sound bloke.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Good to see Joe W involved in footie too.:)
Joe made his International debut in 1976 in a 3-3 draw away v Turkey. He also scored in that game although it is sometimes given as an own goal. We led 2-0, trailed 3-2 and I'm pretty sure Joe got the equaliser - can remember listening to it on the radio.
His only other cap was as a sub v Northern Ireland in 1979.
He played for Leicester enroute to the 1974 FA Cup semi finals scoring a few goals in the process where they lost to eventual winners Liverpool. I was pretty young at the time but can remember the stir he created in Limerick during that cup run. I think he scored both goals in the quarter final win if not then the 5th round win.
2-0 at QPR!