Stephen Carr last night

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15/04/2005, 9:58 AM
drummerboy

Stephen Carr last night

Watched the Sporting v Newcastle 2nd leg UEFA cup last night. Stephen Carr gifted them the 4th goal, dreadful mistake. He was also at fault for another goal. He crossing was very poor. Compared to Finnan the previous night, Carr has fallen well behind the Liverpool player. Andy O�Brien came on as a 2nd substitute but looked really edgy. Although he has been excellent for Ireland, his confidence has been badly shaken and one wonders is it only a matter of time before his lack of confidence at club level trancends to his international career. Is it time to bring in Dunne.
15/04/2005, 10:00 AM
Dawn_Run

Aye - have to agree, bad night for both Carr and O Brien. On a plus note - Given made some great saves!
15/04/2005, 10:03 AM
fosterdollar

Given must be appalled at the state of his back four. I could be wrong, but were they one-nil up before Andy O'Brien came on...?
15/04/2005, 10:10 AM
PaulB

Andy O'Brien came on in the 2nd Half. Carr was useless, gave away so many free kicks in dandgerous positions..
15/04/2005, 10:10 AM
Dublin12

Carr has been an accident waiting to happen for a while,just glad it wasn't in a green shirt,hopefully this will comfirm to Brian Kerr that the right back slot belongs to Steve Finnan and noboby else.
15/04/2005, 10:23 AM
Stuttgart88

Thankfully I expect Finnan will keep that position until Kerr is forced to make a change. That seems to be the way he operates. People are critical of O'Shea at the moment but on current form Carr is the bigger risk IMO.

Using the same logic, I can't see Kerr replacing O'Brien with Dunne until injury or suspension forces his hand.
15/04/2005, 10:33 AM
stojkovic

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Originally Posted by Dublin12

Carr has been an accident waiting to happen for a while,just glad it wasn't in a green shirt,hopefully this will comfirm to Brian Kerr that the right back slot belongs to Steve Finnan and noboby else.

Will Kerr have to balls to drop him.
Finnan will play there v Israel but what about the game after.
Finnan has to start.
I would say he is the best RF in the Prem at the mo and will probably be named in the Prem team of the year.
15/04/2005, 11:15 AM
Reality Bites

He awful last night, but has been awful for sometime, he is livin of a reputation at this stage, and sadly Kerr has bought into this also, his preformance was truly awful against the Swiss in October and he was equally poor against Israel, Kerr needs a wake up call quickly on this one, on a separate note Andy O'Brien is a poor player and the only reason he shines for Ireland is because of the Brillant Cunningham. Wake - up and smell the coffee Finnan and Dunne are streets ahead of O'Brien and Calamity Carr..Nuff said
15/04/2005, 11:16 AM
NeilMcD

Yeah Carr had a shocker last night and he has been pretty poor for Ireland too with the exception of the France away game. Finnan is a better option now and with Reid and Right midfield that will be the team against Israel and should also continue against the Faroes. To be fair to O Brien he has been excellent for Ireland and I think that Cunningham brings out the best in him. If newcastle dont keep O brien he should go somewhere , were he has an experience centre back beside him who is a talker. At Newcastle there are too many quiet inexperience centre back. Play that position is all about a partnership and O Brien looks best with Cunningham.
15/04/2005, 11:37 AM
Condex

Carr was very poor last night, was all over the place at times its time to given either Finnan(can play on the left) or Kelly his place.

O'Brien is off-form and way down the pecking order at Newcastle, need to change clubs. I think its time Kerr gave Dunne his chance he has been regularly man of the match for City this season.
15/04/2005, 11:40 AM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by Reality Bites

He awful last night, but has been awful for sometime, he is livin of a reputation at this stage

He has been crap more often than not for the past 6 months but before that he was fine. You don't just lose it overnight and he was excellent for a couple of years after he came back from injury. He is not living on his rep, just going through a weirdly long bad spell. Anyway, Finnan has overtaken him and that will remain so until Finnan loses it himself.
15/04/2005, 11:46 AM
Dublin12

I blame Sourness.
15/04/2005, 12:14 PM
Stuttgart88

I actually thought Carr had been doing well at Newcastle recently, up until we played Israel. During their 8 match winning run he was looking like the Carr of old.
15/04/2005, 12:16 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Yeah Carr had a shocker last night and he has been pretty poor for Ireland too with the exception of the France away game. Finnan is a better option now and with Reid and Right midfield that will be the team against Israel and should also continue against the Faroes. To be fair to O Brien he has been excellent for Ireland and I think that Cunningham brings out the best in him. If newcastle dont keep O brien he should go somewhere , were he has an experience centre back beside him who is a talker. At Newcastle there are too many quiet inexperience centre back. Play that position is all about a partnership and O Brien looks best with Cunningham.

It's no coincidence that all of Cunningham's partners impress at CB, but don't look so good when he's not there: Breen, O'Brien, Upson...
15/04/2005, 12:22 PM
drummerboy

When Carr was injured before some surgeons deemed that his career was over. However he went to the States for a last gasp attempt to save his career. It worked to an extent but he is not the same player and is only just one heavy tackle away from retirement. Surprised Newcastle shelled money out on him. Its hard to feel sorry for the guy who always seems to have a very cantancarous demeanour.
15/04/2005, 12:29 PM
Junior

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

He has been crap more often than not for the past 6 months but before that he was fine.

Jaysus 6 months? cast your mind back to Basel the first time around, woeful in that game and hasn't been much better since.

Don't think Finnan can do much more to deserve a chance ahead of him. Carr has the added advantage of playing with Given week in week out but I'd still have Finnan in ahead of him now.
15/04/2005, 12:37 PM
holidaysong

Great left handed save by Given in first half!

It was 1-1 when O'Brien came on.. Newcastle fell to pieces when Dyer went off injured.
15/04/2005, 1:14 PM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by Junior

Jaysus 6 months? cast your mind back to Basel the first time around

C'mon, one game. He still holds 3 assists for us under Kerr and has yet to cost us a goal under him if my memory serves me right. Take away the last 6 months and he has been superb for us. If you are going to go on one game than all our players are crap.
15/04/2005, 4:07 PM
livehead1

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I actually thought Carr had been doing well at Newcastle recently, up until we played Israel. During their 8 match winning run he was looking like the Carr of old.

i second that, i was readin like the reviews of player performances of carr on the planetfootball.com and over the past few weeks they have been saying looking good, back to his best, good going forward, solid and things of the sort. he'll be sound, hes never let ireland down and always trys his best,
15/04/2005, 6:40 PM
thejollyrodger

Carr's form in the last few years has plumeted. I dont know how anyone rates him now. He makes quite a few **** ups each game now :rolleyes:

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