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Must say, I feel sorry for him. A year ago he was on the periphery of the Celtic team and geting a few high profile games (a la Mc Geady). This year ? On the outer fringes of the Utd second team and through bad luck and Fergusons arrogance probably heading the way of Stephen McPhail.
how did he expect to walk from the celtic team into the Man Utd team? He had a couple of good games in europe, and played ok in the SPL, but lets face it, impressing at celtic means being able to control a ball! He was never going to walk into the Man Utd team- no chance. He has yet to prove ANY of the hype surrounding him
It was clearly the wrong move for him, as many suggested it would be at the time. At best he's wasted a year or more of his career barely making the bench, at worst his set for a spiral of mediocrity (hard to think of a Man Utd reject who has genuinely become a top class player since David Platt)... maybe Savage but its hard to say he's top class. If Miller doesnt leave soon he could end up like other failures from that club Greening, Wallwork, or that Serbian-Swedish player who now seems set to warm the bench for Rangers (Djordic was it?)... doesnt bode well for his Irish team prospects... a club like Villa, Charlton, even Man City would have been better.
Nothing to do with wrong advice. He was overhyped at Celtic, mainly by their fans. He just is not good enough for top flight football, just another ordinary player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Very good Éanna. Did you write that one yourself? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
**** Miller. Serves him right for listening to the wrong advice. He's still being handsomely paid for doing nothing.
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Originally Posted by Superhoops
leaving out personalities and club loyalties:
personally i think he is good enough.
i think he is good on the ball and has enough ability too be more involved at utd. :)
I don't think that we hyped him in the way you suggest tbh. Like most fans starved of signings, we were looking anywhere for our next saviour, so to speak. Miller came along at what we thought was the right time, and just when we felt he was settling in the Celtic first team, he upped-and-offed without so much of a by-your-leave (but after a couple of interviews in which he and his mother (ffs!) stated plainly that Celtic was his boyhood club and he was going nowhere. No wonder the fans felt cheated by him).Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
Now in Aiden McGeady we have a player worthy of the hype, the supporters are fairly reticent when it comes to building him up. But then we're all pretty jaundiced of late at Celtic. This is the worst Rangers side in living memory and we're only just marginally better than them. But I digress.
Miller took a risk, and so far it hasn't worked in footballing terms. For Ireland's sake, I hope it does. For Miller's sake, well, I've put my views on this elsewhere...
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Spot on as ever, Mister Davros. :D
Happy New Year, btw. Will you be watching the match today?
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Dav, I don't agree that I know nothing about Celtic fans. What I don't know anything about is their psyche!Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
However regarding Miller and being hyped by those same fans, I had seen Miller play a few times for Ireland U-21 (I seem to remember he was loaned out to a Danish club on one of these occasions, I may be wrong). He looked a decent enough player, as did others like Sean Thronton for example, but there was no indication that he was outstanding.
It was only when he played in the CL games of 2003/2004? that Celtic fans raved about his performances. I never saw any of these games but several Celtic fans that I know were of the opinion that Miler was 'the business' and would be 'a natural successor to RMK in the Ireland set-up'. I am sure this was the view among many Celtic supporters and others who had seen him play in these games. This was before there was any mention of him going to MU. When he announced he was going to MU, these same Celtic fans probably understandably, changed their tune. MU fans quickly latched on to the 'next RMK' hype.
As regards Miller playing for Ireland, I don't care what club he plays for, I am only interested that he is good enough. From what I have seen so far he is light years away from being 'the business' or 'a natural successor to RMK in the Ireland set-up' (Celtic fans descriptions, not mine!). He will be 24 next month, hardly ancient, but you would expect him by now to have progressed a lot further than he has. Getting taken off by MU against Exeter is hardly the form of an emerging international player!
IMHO, over hyped is an apposite adjective to describe when he was at Celtic and currently is not good enough as a first choice for Ireland's midfield. I hope that changes and he makes the breakthrough, but in respect of our WCQ campaign, time is running out for him and I have seen nothing to suggest he will come through. I wonder if anyone else has?
Miller was overhyped an awful lot more from the people in the game (coaches, players, ex-players) then he was by the Celtic fans. Everyone that coached him was raving about him including the ex-Celtic player (I think it was player) that managed him on loan.
Karel Poborsky wasn't half bad at Euro 2004.Quote:
hard to think of a Man Utd reject who has genuinely become a top class player since David Platt
Miller's time will come. Scholes, Giggs and Keane will be fading soon. That's three open spots in the Man Utd midfield.
Potential?
Miller is not far off being 25 when is he ever going to fulfill this potential?
Should have stayed at Celtic he'd be a first team regular this season.
I'm deadly serious. Half of the players at Celtic have no technical ability whatsoever- take petrov and thompson out of the midfield and the rest of them can hardly pass the ball. Just stating fact, not having a go. My point was, its easier to look good at celtic when you're surrounded by very average players, than it is at a better team like man Utd for exampleQuote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
spot on. there's been so much talk and so little action.......Quote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
Yeah but he'd still be at Celtic, he done the right thing by taking a risk.. Its the only way to move up and fair play to him for having the guts to jump in at the deep end, he's a good player, different to what UTD are used to but the team will learn to adapt to his style, thats why Ferguson bought him, heres a quote from fergie when he bought him "I was very impressed with several points in his game," said Fergie. "I was impressed with his ability to see the space in front of him. His running off the ball was superb, and I thought here was a player who was different from what we have at United. Give it time folks and try support a player who is trying to break into one of the biggest clubs in the world..
You do realise that Celtic's first choice midfield is McGeady-Thompson-Lennon-Petrov? You must have forgotten McGeady as he's our most valuable player by far IMO. Lennon is a holding midfielder and does his job well, although people expect him to be something he's not therefore have higher standard's for him. Juninho hasn't started since October. Hartson is the best passer of the ball with his head in Britain IMO. He also is superb at holding it up and is actually a very good passer. The defence isn't very strong but what can you do with Quinn as chairman?Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
hartson is an excellent player, as is sutton- both very underrated and wasted on the SPL IMO. I thought McGeady was a striker? Anyways, Lennon- he might be a holding midfielder, but he still should be able to pass a ball properly
Having watched the game - properly - this afternoon, your assessment wasn't too removed from the fact. We were awful, end of. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
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No, McGeady is a midfielder. Supposedly at his best when given a free role behind the front 2 but MON plays him on the left wing mostly.
Stick the skillful players out on the wing. Typical MON attitude really. He's got Juninho in his squad but he sticks him out on the wing too. If he had any clue he'd build his midfield around Juninho.
Sometimes I wonder if MON is a one trick pony when it comes to tactics. He's still playing the same 3-5-2 he was playing at Leicester City. He's probably the best motivator and man manager in the game, but when it comes to tactics he's not the greatest.