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Thoughts, opinions now that Cowen has issued the invite (though it would up to the President's office to organise)? Wouldn't personally be rushing out to see her, but she's as entitled to come here as any other head of state, and I expect that any protests would be a lot lower-key than we've been led to expect, much like when the English rugby team played in Croke Park.
I wouldnt be in favour of it at all to be honest.
But dont we have a Queen here already - McAleese
Although I myself wouldn't have any interest whatsoever in lining the streets to watch her pass by, and so on, I have absolutely no problem with a visit as long as huge amounts aren't spent on it.
Anyone who lines the streets to see any visitng head of state is nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
I don't know what I@m dreading worse, the knuckle draggers' reaction or the media trying desperately to prove we aren't all knuckle draggers and fawning all over her
I'm getting queasy at the thought of the RTE coverage already... Other than that couldn't care less, especially as I no longer work in Dublin city centre, so I won't even be disturbed by any convoys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Better getting it over and done with. If the Unionists can accept Marty McGuinness as potential First Minster of NI, we can put up with this for a day.
No fan of auld Lizzy, but would have more respect for her that the appalling D4 West Brit sycophants who will be rolled out for this.
And the 16 page pullout in the Sunday Independent.
"Welcome back Maam"
:worship::worship::worship:
No doubt the residents of Dun Laoghaire will be out in force, along with the rest of the "Jackeens" to re-create the warm welcome they gave to Liz's predecessors.....!
I thought the only queen in politics here was Norris.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
The worst thing about this whole farce is when the media roll out the "royal watchers".
Ohh dear god, these are the celebrity stalkers of the Middle Ages, think Xpose only replace Leather tongs with lace doileys.
Anyways the whole royalty thing is only embaressing the Brits themselves, to think a nation can even have a symbolic head of state due to nepotism is bizarre.
It just goes to show that the Bolsheviks were 92 years ahead of the curve and counting.
Rasputin, didn't the Bolsheviks kill you?!
He took enough poison to kill a horse, was shot repeatedly, beaten up, tied up and rolled in a carpet and thrown in a freezing river, at which point he broke out of his binds and carpet. Now, you might say that being drowned, spending three days trapped in cold water under ice, and undergoing an autopsy finished him off, but when his body was stolen from his grave and burned, he tried to escape again. Frankly, the odds that he's survived all that and is still alive and posting on foot.ie might seem remote, but we can't take that chance. WE CAN'T TAKE THAT CHANCE.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
I’d b glad of the visit. It would show that, in welcoming the head of state of its once bitterest enemy, Ireland has “taken its place among the nations of the earth”. We’re an independent, sovereign nation: we should be able to invite whomever we want, and accord them a respectful, dignified greeting. It’s also politically better to invite her now rather than wait for King Charles….
I fear the knuckle-dragging die-hard republican chuds. Their “republicanism” is just visceral hatred of everything English – except her football clubs! - rather than any notion of the res publica, or the non-sectarianism of the United Irishmen, where our republican tradition starts. Mind you, I dread fawning, forelock tuggers falling over themselves to catch a look at her, whinging it was a bad day we ever left the Commonwealth. They’re both welcome to stay at home.
Which is where I’ll be when she visits. I’ve already seen her (got dragged along on a pre-school outing during her jubilee year in 1977!) and while I’ll be glad she visits and we can celebrate the common ties between our countries, and maybe get a tourism dividend from the UK, I won’t feel the need to be out waving a flag. Just as I didn’t when Reagan came. And Clinton. And King Harald and Queen Sonja of Norway…
So the story goes....allegedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
What does that even mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
Its one of those inane soundbites the media churn out when attempting to flog a dead horse.
Nothing inane about it! I just thought most people would be familiar with Robert Emmet's speech from the dock, and recognise the quote ("When my country takes her place among the nations of earth, then, and only then, let my epitaph be written.")Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasputin
Clearly not...
Quick point: she's the queen of Great Britain, Northern Ireland, and the Commonwealth territories, not the Queen of England. Calling her Queen of England is ignorant at best, and at worst offensive to her millions of other subjects who also consider her their queen but are not English.
My experience of Welsh nationalism leads me to believe that there'll be a few idiots if she visits the Republic, but hopefully it will be a generally constructive visit.
She's also Fidei Defensor. Should we use that one too? Even if we can't stop laughing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
Holy crap, has she got super powers?
Meant no offence Cymro, just had to think of a convenient title at the time and had to find the best wording. Most of the Irish media just call her "the Queen", but if I'd just left it at that, there'd have been loads of comments along the lines of "she's not our Queen" and no-one calls her "the UK queen"Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
I was hoping for that answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
I am fully aware as to where the term comes from, what I was hoping for was some enlightenment as to the relevance of the quote in this given context?