England's chances?

What does everyone think of England's chances?

(someone had to mention them) :D

Until they got he goal it was looking like more of the same, even after that they did not look too good,
Rooney hit the post I suppose but Slovenia had their chances too.

Maybe it is a slow start and then improvement th at you need, after all playing well at the end which wins you things in tournaments, not playing badly (provided you don't get knocked out!!).
(certainly applies in poker tournaments, if you don't get luck or play well at the end you can't win!!)

Germany have not looked too impressive either, but they usually progress nearer to the final.
Looks a bit like a coin flip in that one, maybe penalties.

Neither team look like beating Argentina, but, you never know.

In my opinion, the first team with players who run at their central defenders with supporting attackers making runs in behind the defence will knock them out.

I wouldnt rate their chances too highly but there are only four games to win. A bit of luck or a couple of incredible displays and you never know. I think they'll do well to get to the semis though.

Germany in the next round, and if they get over that then argentina or mexico in Q/F's if im correct --- in a nutshell i think Ireland have more of a chance of winning this world cup than england do.

I have a feeling Mexico mite beat Argentina on sunday and i dont fancy england to beat them if they overcome germany

As Dennis Irwin said on TV this eve, its very hard for a team to switch on and off. There is a lot of problems underlying in the england camp and that along with the fact they are just not good enough to win the W.C will ultimately be their downfall

(Please God - dont make me eat large amounts of humble pie in 3 weeks time ) :D

I have a feeling the Germans won't need penalties to do them. There's a hint of dodginess about both defenses but they probably cancel each other out in that respect. Speaking of respect, I've been very impressed by swine tiger & co. and how they go about the job. Rock solid discipline, proper team performances and easy on the eye. England...not so much.

In any case, I can't see them surviving both the Germans and the Argies. And regarding the latter, I wouldn't want them to either.

The defence has yet to be properly tested. For me, Johnson and the two centre halves are the weak points of the team. Johnson is excellent at moving the ball forward, but doesn't have the pace to get back and leaves holes in the right back position for a speedy opposition winger, or even a decent creative central midfielder, to exploit. Add to that the lack of pace in the centre of defence and you have a recipe for disaster. Ashley Cole doesn't have that weakness in his game, and seems to be enjoying the freedom of space given to him by playing Gerrard as an inside-left.
The addition of Barry had added an extra defensive option, and despite his critics, I thought he did exactly what was expected of him against Slovenia, receive the ball and spray it out to Milner, Gerrard or Rooney. I forgot Lampard was on the pitch until he took a corner.
Up front, Rooney is clearly carrying an injury and not at his best. Defoe was brought in as a partner after Heskey failed, but I didn't see much interplay between them, and it could be a case of the team setting goals up for both of them, rather than the two working together, if you follow.

Against Germany, a lot will depend on how they deal with Ozil, who is the team's playmaker and their best player of the tournament so far. Is it worth sacrificing Barry to man mark him to remove his influence on the game?

I honestly can't call the second round game against Germany, but if they do win, I agree with Sullivinho and don't see them getting past the quarters.

Have to disagree about Barry, I thought he had a lot of heavy first touches and misplaced passes. He probably improved as the game went on but in the first twenty minutes or so I recall a number of misplaced passes.

Milner's crossing was for me the highlight of the game yesterday. If he is given the time to put in his crosses, I think England have a good chance of beating the Germans.

I don't rate em at all as a team. You would think they've just beaten Brazil 1 nil in the final the way everybody is reacting over here. I'm amazed it hasn't dawned on them that they just edged out a p*ss poor Slovenian side. It was a 5 out of 10 performance. Nothing more, they got the job done but they ain't winning a WC.

Like tets points out Johnson's out of position EVERY time England lose the ball. If Ozil receives the ball on the counter (after moving into that HUGE gap) and runs at Upson/Terry he'll cause carnage.

Their midfield cannot keep hold of the ball and good teams will punish you (they don't have the defence of an Inter to hold out if they've only got 40% of the ball). After kicking off the second half they gave the ball away within 8 seconds. Lampard & Barry don't have the ability to match a top class midfield pairing. Milner put in a couple of good balls but is S L O W and lacks the ability to get around a top class left back. Even though it isn't Boateng's natural position he should still have enough ability to counter that threat.

Rooney looks like a ghost. 7 games at a WC and he's had more red cards than goals.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

Have to disagree about Barry, I thought he had a lot of heavy first touches and misplaced passes. He probably improved as the game went on but in the first twenty minutes or so I recall a number of misplaced passes.

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fair enough, I missed the first half hour of the game.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

Milner's crossing was for me the highlight of the game yesterday. If he is given the time to put in his crosses, I think England have a good chance of beating the Germans.

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Yeah, he was a different player on the right than the one who played on the left VS the USA. Lennon offers pace on the right, but little in the way of end product. Milner got the assist on Defoe's goal.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

Milner's crossing was for me the highlight of the game yesterday.

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Statistics show he completed only one cross in the entire game (for the goal)

The big difference on the right was that Johnson didn't get in Milners way, in the first 2 games Johnsons runs pushed Lennon inside where he is completely ineffectual. Not sure if it was a definite tactical change but Milner seemed to be able to stay wide a lot more and Johnson stayed back

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Statistics show he completed only one cross in the entire game (for the goal)

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But that doesn't say how "good" the crosses were. A lot of them were screwed around the full back and put in the space behind the defence and in front of the goalie. That area is difficult for the defence to deal with and it should be the area you'd expect your strikers to be attacking.

A good winger will realise the limitations of a striker and play to their strengths, not his

Milner's a good but I didn't think he played well yesterday. Different stokes and all that...

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Originally Posted by Dodge

A good winger will realise the limitations of a striker and play to their strengths, not his

Milner's a good but I didn't think he played well yesterday. Different stokes and all that...

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A good winger follows his manager's instructions ;). Rooney's ice cold at the moment. Doesn't matter what way the ball's put in - he won't score. Defoe's a midget. The only way he's going to get on to a cross is if it's played low and fast behind the defence - re: how he scored yesterday. I'm not saying Milner had a good game just that his crossing was of high class.

The stats don't record the cross, identical to the one which they scored from, which the keeper did really well to take off Defoes feet before it fell to Lampard, as complete. But it was a hell of a cross.

I'm not sure he'll get the space against Germany though, and they'll need their full backs to actually get past the German full backs, as neither Gerrard nor Milner has a winger's instinct. Milner played very like Beckham yesterday, as opposed to someone like Lennon.

I think England's big-game experience will count for something. I'm trusting that Schweinsteiger will be fit - he'd be a huge loss otherwise. Was Badstuber (?), the left back, dropped, suspended or injured against Ghana?

I think I've said it before here, not sure: England remind me of the famous scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark, where the flash arabian swordsman did all his tricks before Harrison Ford just took out his pistol and shot him! England can play a direct game of football, putting in crosses like Milners or relying on set pieces to get goals and this is often good enough to beat more technically accomplished opposition. Mexico mullered them at Wembley, but lost 3-1 (two corners, one needlessly conceded and including a dodgy Crouch goal). England will probably need 4 bullets though - Germany, Argentina, Spain and Brazil. Do they have them?

I know friendlies don't count for a huge amount, but England (I think) has only played 3 "peers" during Capello's reign. France & Spain beat them and they drew 2-2 in Holland.

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

I don't rate em at all as a team. You would think they've just beaten Brazil 1 nil in the final the way everybody is reacting over here. I'm amazed it hasn't dawned on them that they just edged out a p*ss poor Slovenian side.

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Sometimes it is easy to denegrate the opposition when they are well beaten. Slovenia are not "p*ss poor" nor is any European side which had qualifed for the World Cup. They might not be world beaters but they finished well ahead of the Czech Republic and Poland in their group and only conceded 4 goals in 10 games. Their strength is obviously their defence and when they conceded I'd say that was the game plan out the window. England beat them comfortably enough but it is seldom at the WC that one European team plays another off the park.

The German team is not anything special and man for man the English team is probably as good if not better. I expect England to win, probably on penos to reverse a trend, and then face Maradona with all the talk of hand of God.They'd have a chance there as well so I wouldn't write them off just yet.

Bloemfontein is at 1350m altitude. Will this affect anything?

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Bloemfontein is at 1350m altitude. Will this affect anything?

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Only when they lose :D

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Sometimes it is easy to denegrate the opposition when they are well beaten. Slovenia are not "p*ss poor" nor is any European side which had qualifed for the World Cup. They might not be world beaters but they finished well ahead of the Czech Republic and Poland in their group and only conceded 4 goals in 10 games. Their strength is obviously their defence and when they conceded I'd say that was the game plan out the window. England beat them comfortably enough but it is seldom at the WC that one European team plays another off the park.

The German team is not anything special and man for man the English team is probably as good if not better. I expect England to win, probably on penos to reverse a trend, and then face Maradona with all the talk of hand of God.They'd have a chance there as well so I wouldn't write them off just yet.

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did you watch them against Algeria? Both of them were woeful. Two worst sides I've seen at the world cup. Fair play to em for qualifying but the English media will not brainwash me into thinking they were a dangerous side.

It's seldom that another European team plays a fellow European side off the park? Spain 4 Ukraine 0 springs to mind from the last world cup (I remember a dodgy red card in 2nd half but Spain on top before that). Portugal 4 Poland 0 (2002) and Sven's England pasting Denmark by 3 goals in the second round. 98? Spain 6 Bulgaria 1. I bet there is one at every WC!

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Sometimes it is easy to denegrate the opposition when they are well beaten. Slovenia are not "p*ss poor" nor is any European side which had qualifed for the World Cup. They might not be world beaters but they finished well ahead of the Czech Republic and Poland in their group and only conceded 4 goals in 10 games. Their strength is obviously their defence and when they conceded I'd say that was the game plan out the window. England beat them comfortably enough but it is seldom at the WC that one European team plays another off the park.
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Must be looking at different games. Slovenia were poor in all 3 of their games. The Algerian game was really poor. France, Italy, Denmark, Greece, Spain, England, germany (hot and cold), Switzerland, etc etc etc = havent seen too much quality so far....................