No Agreement reach at Irelands Euro2012 fixtures meeting

Looks like one of the countries in our group couldnt agree on the fixture dates - I presume as the same issue occurred in Wales and Englands group , the fixture list for Irelands group will now be decided by an open draw in a couple of weeks - this is what will be done for englands group so i presume UEFA will follow suit with our group.

If so , is it a good or a bad thing for ireland?

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/...i_ireland.html


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Is it a computerised draw for the fixtures so like the Premier League? If so, this could be a very bad thing. We could end up playing in Moscow in the pits of winter!!! Suppose it's all down to chance now!!

I can't see Andorra being bothered enough to apply their veto, so it has to be Macedonia.

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Originally Posted by Lenny82

Is it a computerised draw for the fixtures so like the Premier League? If so, this could be a very bad thing. We could end up playing in Moscow in the pits of winter!!! Suppose it's all down to chance now!!

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I doubt its computerised ---but thats just my opinion

as for the draw itself ,well my thinking was that it can only be a good thing.
as it should not overly affect us badly as russia and slovakia had first dips on the fixture dates


i.e it takes away slovakia and russias right to have the second leg against ireland in their place so we could get russia in dublin towards end of the group (i.e september 2011) and avoid going to moscow in october/nov 2010 so then that would be a blessing

or am i wrong?

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I can't see Andorra being bothered enough to apply their veto, so it has to be Macedonia.

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I Believe it was Armenia.

According to UEFA

Euro 2012 Qualifying Fixtures

The football associations in a group have 30 days after the UEFA EURO 2012 qualifying draw in Warsaw on 7 February 2010 in which to agree on the order of their matches.

If the associations in question are unable to reach agreement the matches will take place according to a standard fixture list drawn up by the UEFA administration. This standard fixture list will take into consideration relevant factors for the match organisation, such as weather conditions.

The following 12 dates are reserved for group matches in qualifying:

a) 3/4 and 7 September 2010
b) 8/9 and 12 October 2010
c) 25/26 and 29 March 2011
d) 3/4 and 7 June 2011
e) 2/3 and 6 September 2011
f) 7/8 and 11 October 2011

The following dates are reserved for the play-off matches between the remaining eight runners-up:

a) 11/12 November 2011
b) 15 November 2011

It was Armenia. What exactly they objected to is hard to say. They were 5th seeds. The random draw is supposed to take into account weather conditions. If so, that rules out going to Moscow in the depths of the Russian winter. That apart, it's pot luck what we end up with now.

That's 3 groups to be decided by UEFA. Croatia's group also failed to agree fixtures. So another 10 days to go.

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Originally Posted by Cuyahoga

I Believe it was Armenia.

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Forgot about them. :o

Can end up with top seed v 2nd seed in last match. However UEFA don't always use the set formula and tend to punish the awkward team.

My big concern is Macedonia at 3pm in blazing heat. Moscow will be ok in early october or late march.

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Originally Posted by gspain

Can end up with top seed v 2nd seed in last match. However UEFA don't always use the set formula and tend to punish the awkward team.

My big concern is Macedonia at 3pm in blazing heat. Moscow will be ok in early october or late march.

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Based on the last campaign venues and times aren't part of the fixtures meeting/draw and are at the discretion of the the host nation so this could have happened even if consensus had been reached today.

For 2010 Qualifiers the hosts had to inform the visitors three months in advance of venue and 60 days beforehand of ko time and the Italians at least took it right to the wire (see post from Superhoops in the pre match thread at http://foot.ie/threads/77520-Italy-A...l=1#post899509). Therefore I presume this will be the case again and all this draw will do is set the dates for each match, nothing more.

With the possible exception of Slovakia, all our other games should be in the capitals of the countries we have to go to.

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Originally Posted by mypost

With the possible exception of Slovakia, all our other games should be in the capitals of the countries we have to go to.

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Don't Russia sometimes play outside Moscow? In the last campaign they played Liechtenstein in St. Petersburg (http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/prelimi...85/report.html) although maybe they only play there against the 'minnows' (for want of a better word)?

And the Andorra game will presumably be held in Barcelona rather than in Andorra le Vella (did have to look that one up! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andorra_la_Vella)? :p

Weird one, but it looks like it'll just be pure randomness that decides the fixtures now. Would be interesting to know what Armenia got so worked up about that they applied their veto.

It appears Armenia will be making an announcement on the matter.

Apparently they refused to co-operate with a nation that was responsible for the unforgivable crime of unleashing Crytsal Swing upon the world.

At a guess it might have something to do with Armenias dealings with Russia. History can be a cruel mistress and I am sure that had something to do with dealings between the two. It is shocking that all the countries can agree on fixtures and the 5th seed can royally **** things up for everyone else

No biggy. And if we´re going to start worrying about Macedonia in the heat we can forget about it. Same thing was said about playing Bulgaria in June when the last draw was made. What would tickle my fancy would be back to back games against Slovakia this September.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...266443422.html

An interesting account of the fixtures that the FAI had actually agreed to at the meeting in Moscow before the Armenians scuppered things:

Slovakia at home on the friendly date in November
Russia and Armenia in an away double-header in 2011
Slovakia and Macedonis in an away double-header in 2011

It also seems that Andorra are keen to play their home game against us in the Principality rather than in Barcelona.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...e-2101188.html

Looking at the prospective list, I'm actually relieved the Armenians pulled the plug. 3 home games to start, all away games next year. Macedonia and Slovakia double header, and Andorra away the only highlights. The rest was potentially the fixture list from hell.

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Originally Posted by EastTerracer

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...266443422.html

An interesting account of the fixtures that the FAI had actually agreed to at the meeting in Moscow before the Armenians scuppered things:

Slovakia at home on the friendly date in November
Russia and Armenia in an away double-header in 2011
Slovakia and Macedonis in an away double-header in 2011

It also seems that Andorra are keen to play their home game against us in the Principality rather than in Barcelona.

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Originally Posted by mypost

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...e-2101188.html

Looking at the prospective list, I'm actually relieved the Armenians pulled the plug. 3 home games to start, all away games next year. Macedonia and Slovakia double header, and Andorra away the only highlights. The rest was potentially the fixture list from hell.

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Thank you Armenia for saving us from ourselves, looks to me like the FAI were determined to get in as many home games as quickly as possible to be sure of filling Lansdowne Road while interest is high in the new stadium without any regard for how it might affect our chances of actually qualifying! No great surprise I suppose but glad it didn't work out.

Was also interesting to see Delaney say "The draw with Uefa is an open draw, they do take climate into account but that won’t affect us in this case."

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Originally Posted by eaststand85

And the Andorra game will presumably be held in Barcelona rather than in Andorra le Vella (did have to look that one up! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andorra_la_Vella)? :p

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Looks like I got that one wrong! :o

Some cheek by Delanet complaining about the "smaller" teams. They've every bit as much rights as we do to get the fixtures they want.