New Management Team for Under 21 Set Up

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04/03/2010, 10:49 AM
greendeiseboy

New Management Team for Under 21 Set Up

This issue deserves a thread of its own.

Last night has proven how low we've sunk in this age group.

It's obvious from his post match comments that the current manager Don Givens has lost the plot with regard to what is expected from him as a Manager. He has stated that results dont matter and that his purpose is to develop players for the senior squad. Ok, he has a point there and this is important but why compete in competeitions if thats the case.

The attached shows Givens record since September 2008 - we have not won one match in that period.

http://www.soccerway.com/teams/irela...blic-under-21/

It's just not good enough. His time is up. We need a change for the sake of the future of this team and for future development.
04/03/2010, 11:14 AM
Jacky08

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Originally Posted by greendeiseboy

This issue deserves a thread of its own.

Last night has proven how low we've sunk in this age group.

It's obvious from his post match comments that the current manager Don Givens has lost the plot with regard to what is expected from him as a Manager. He has stated that results dont matter and that his purpose is to develop players for the senior squad. Ok, he has a point there and this is important but why compete in competeitions if thats the case.

The attached shows Givens record since September 2008 - we have not won one match in that period.

http://www.soccerway.com/teams/irela...blic-under-21/

It's just not good enough. His time is up. We need a change for the sake of the future of this team and for future development.

Totally agree
04/03/2010, 11:51 AM
eaststand85

Yep, +1
04/03/2010, 12:23 PM
jbyrne

results reflect performance and surely performance reflects on the development of the players. the results show that our players at u21 level are not developing. change now please
04/03/2010, 12:41 PM
drummerboy

OK here are a few candidates:

Pat Fenlon
Mark Kinsella
Stephen Kenny
Curtis Fleming
Kenny Cunningham
04/03/2010, 12:47 PM
greendeiseboy

Ray Houghton and Stephen Kenny - joint team would be my pick.
04/03/2010, 1:03 PM
Predator

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Originally Posted by greendeiseboy

Ray Houghton and Stephen Kenny - joint team would be my pick.

I think he'd do a good job, but only after he gets us promoted!
04/03/2010, 1:08 PM
greendeiseboy

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Originally Posted by Predator

I think he'd do a good job, but only after he gets us promoted!

Nah, ye'll be staying down with the Cork lads - The Blues and Shels this season to go up.

He could also do it it part-time and he'd also have a good insight into the LOI players.
04/03/2010, 1:13 PM
sixesandsevens

Couldn't agree more with the sentiments in this thread. The results at this level have been appalling for the past few years, how Givens can say these players are developing is beyond me when they haven't won a game in years, young players thrive on confidence and playing in the current u21 setup is hardly instilling this in them.
It always seemed to me that Givens has always been held in very high regard by Delaney and Co and as long as he's the Fai top cat Givens will be guarunteed a job. Could also be the case that he's relatively cheap to employ? Maybe someone might know that.
But certainly there are a number of good young managers around the countrywho would be able to bring these young players forward. IMHO Pat Fenlon would be an ideal candidate
04/03/2010, 1:17 PM
Duggie

normally i wouldnt care that much about the u-21's but you look at that side last night and there are some really good players there. way to good to be losing these games. im not so sure about some of the names mentioned above though. Dont think Brian Kerr would take it even if he was offered it. John Aldridge had experience at tranmere, a possibility.
04/03/2010, 1:33 PM
Macy

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Originally Posted by sixesandsevens

It always seemed to me that Givens has always been held in very high regard by Delaney and Co and as long as he's the Fai top cat Givens will be guarunteed a job. Could also be the case that he's relatively cheap to employ? Maybe someone might know that.

He seems to be untouchable for some reason. It's disgraceful the way he was blaming, and naming and shaming individual players, in the aftermath of yesterdays match.

How about Rico - know's both the League of Ireland seen, and spent time as a player and manager in England?
04/03/2010, 1:44 PM
sixesandsevens

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Originally Posted by Macy

How about Rico - know's both the League of Ireland seen, and spent time as a player and manager in England?

yeah Rico wouldn't be a bad choice at all. But to be honest these young lads would be better off with a guy with some fresh ideas. If he's carrying on the way you say after that last match then he's just becoming part of the problem rather than trying to solve it.
04/03/2010, 1:53 PM
Ari Gold

Could we get some sort of petition going outlining the fans dissatisfaction and send it on to the FAI.

Not some facebook farce but one of those proper online petitions. I guarantee it would get thousands of names on it.
04/03/2010, 1:57 PM
Predator

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Originally Posted by greendeiseboy

Nah, ye'll be staying down with the Cork lads - The Blues and Shels this season to go up.

He could also do it it part-time and he'd also have a good insight into the LOI players.

You might be surprised! We still have a decent squad, with a few youth internationals.

I'd love for someone like Kenny to take over the U21 job, but I can't see Derry letting him do both.
04/03/2010, 1:57 PM
Philly

I was at the game and have to say that we completely underperformed in every department. I was also at the draw with the Swiss in Waterford, in which we were lucky to nick a goal at the end.

From both games, it was clear to see that Givens is not getting anything near to the best out of the talented bunch of players he has at his disposal.

As for the argument that he is "developing" the players and it is not about results, that's rubbish. The results he gets are an indication that he is failing utterly to develop our younger players in any way. They seemed utterly directionless last night.

I hope he gets sacked. Bottoming that group is a shocking indictment of his ability to do his job.
04/03/2010, 1:58 PM
Deckydee

I pushed years and years ago before Givens for Butch Wilkins

Other options include Jason Mcateer who spoke about it once. John Aldridge is also an option
04/03/2010, 2:00 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Not some facebook farce but one of those proper online petitions.

:D

Funniest thing I've read on here in ages!

The worst thing about watching the games on the couple of occasions I've seen them is how bad the performances are, particualrly against sides like Cyprus and Armenia. A lot of these lads have already played first team in England, let alone Ireland, and yet look like they have no idea what they're supposed to be doing.

I think I suggested Pete Mahon a few years back. I fully expect to still be suggesting him in a few years' time.
04/03/2010, 2:00 PM
Duggie

i wouldnt let mcateer near it in fairness.
04/03/2010, 2:03 PM
elroy

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Originally Posted by Duggie

i wouldnt let mcateer near it in fairness.

Agree, didnt exactly set the world alright with Tranmere, Stan would prob do a better job than him.
04/03/2010, 2:17 PM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by sixesandsevens

yeah Rico wouldn't be a bad choice at all. But to be honest these young lads would be better off with a guy with some fresh ideas. If he's carrying on the way you say after that last match then he's just becoming part of the problem rather than trying to solve it.

In fact what about sending on email off to MNS, surely if Rico is in attendance they might throw this question to him?
if enuff people sent an email surely they would ask the question?
Might work?

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