I nearly choked when I read this pathetic, excuse for a coach's defence of his tenure of the U-21 side. Have you ever heard such a bullsh!t spin put on failure.
http://www.eleven-a-side.com/boysing...ws.asp?n=37670
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I nearly choked when I read this pathetic, excuse for a coach's defence of his tenure of the U-21 side. Have you ever heard such a bullsh!t spin put on failure.
http://www.eleven-a-side.com/boysing...ws.asp?n=37670
Desperate attempt to save his job, and it says it all about the FAI that this desperate attempt will probably work. He says he doesn't want people to judge him on the result of the Armenia game, but on the performances as a whole. The performances as a whole must be woeful if we are behind Geogria, Armenia and Estonia. Clueless manager that needs to **** off for the good of under age football in this country
It's a pity many u-21 games are played around the same time as senior internationals.
Tardelli was the Italian U-21 coach and did a very good job while Liam Brady did a good job with the Arsenal youth teams.
They would make a good management team of the u-21s if the games weren't on or around the same time as the senior internationals.
Agreed, and i'd imagine that it must be somewhat embarrassing for Givens as a supposed 'professional' to be surrounded by the quality of the Trap trio while his teams languish in obscurity and underachievment. Saying that, the big pay-check and light sexual favours from Delaney must make up for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
More crap from this so called manager.He says his sole job is to provide players for the senior team. This is laughable. Its through the players performances with their respective clubs that a player is nurtured and ready for full internationa honours.
Givens does little in the way of developing players for the senior side. In fact he's handling of the U21 sides have probably if nothing else instilled a losing mentality in these players. The last thing we want in players when/if they get promoted.
It seems that everone except the Fai can see this mans hamful effect on our underage players.Some joke.
I think the fact that Givens was involved in the hiring process of Trap makes it awkward as well, because normally I think Trap would try and remove Givens given his dismal performance in the job, but he may feel a sort of debt to Givens for helping him to get the Ireland job so it may not happen.
And I find it hard to believe that Delaney would fire him because if he wanted to do that he would have done it already.
Simple question for Don (and the other underage managers): why do we consistently field teams too young for their age group? Against England last year we had 6 U19 eligble players playing the second best U21 side in Europe. WTF?
If this was 40 years ago I'd have thought it was some Christian Brothers conspiracy to undermine the confidence of our youth. It's not, it's 2009.
Because by the time the players get older Givens has already fallen out with themQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Just as a matter of interest what great Arsenal youth players did Brady unearth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
Givens is the sole reason we're not performing underage/ developing players for the senior squad. Look at the vast array of talent in that team. James McCarthy, Alan Judge, Owen Garvan, Killian Sheridan, Jay O Shea, Sean Scannal. All very very good players with massive potential. Look at what Givens done to Keith Tracey. Tracey was one of the biggest prospects from that U21 team and Givens went and ****ed it up.
The FAI should look at the situation and give the job to somebody who has been involved intenslely with the LOI. Pat Dolan (can't be any worse then Givens) may be an arsehead but to be fair to the man he somewhat knows his stuff. He knows the LOI like the back of his hand. He'd have all the young talent such as Connor Powell developing into top class players for the future. The LOI boast many a young talent just itching to be noticed nationally so why not give the job to somebody who actually knows the league.
Any other possible contenders for a future U21 manager??
Trap and Fat Dolan? Alot of awkward silences on that training ground methinks! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by **FrOsTy**
I wouldn't go for Pat Dolan. How about someone new, young and ambitious, with fresh ideas? It seems the under-age coaches at present are stagnating a bit. Trevor Scanlon? He was a development officer for the FAI last I heard. One of my buddies was at Letterkenny Rovers when he was the manager of the u21s and he spoke very highly of Scanlon.
John Morling is an Englishman (I think) managing the u-16 team at the minute. They played Czech Rep. in a double header recently, winning 2-1 and drawing 3-3. Seán McCaffrey?
Would any LoI managers be fit for the job? I also recall people suggesting Kenny Cunningham, but is he a qualified coach with some experience?
I don't know why we're even suggesting change, sure doesn't Don Givens have it all under control!
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John Morling is an Englishman (I think) managing the u-16 team at the minute. They played Czech Rep. in a double header recently, winning 2-1 and drawing 3-3. Seán McCaffrey?
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Just as a matter of interest, can anyone shed a bit of light on what sort of costs are involved in holding an Under 16s friendly, for example. There is much talk of the deficit in the FAI's coffers an how they are struggling for cash in recent times. Now the U-16 squads,Irish and Czech, spent several days (afaik) at a pretty expensive four star hotel outside of Dundalk last week. A person that i know working in the hotel told me that there was very little expense spared during their stay. Any thoughts?
I think you are confusing the role of a scout with someone who works day to day with youth players. It wasn't Brady's job to 'unearth' players, that's the role of scouts. Brady's role was to coach them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
It shows your poor understanding of the game that you would confuse a scout with a coach.
And to help you fill in the gaps of your clearly inadequate knoweledge of Brady's role and success at Arsenal, why not read the following article.
http://www.arsenal.com/reserves-yout...aff/liam-brady
Some products of the youth system at Arsenal include Anthony Stokes, Cesc Fabregas, Ashley Cole, Nicolas Bentner, David Bently, Jermain Pennent, Mathew Upson, Jamie O'Hara and Kiaran Gibbs. Players such as Aaron Ramsey would also have been prepared for the senior team by playing in youth and reserve games.
Even Fabio Capello is a great admirer of the Arsenal youth system.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/englan...-youth-academy
So basically its Ashley Cole and Sidwell then:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
(all having to make a name for themselves outside of AFC) - and all the young Irish guys there too!!!!
Fabregas was poached from Spain!!!!
Yeah the famous Arsenal youth team we are all talking about, the supplier of many youths into the senior team - like Man U or Liverpool, or Everton?
- surely thats the job of a youth manager? - like the Irish under 21 set up
Scout!!!! we are talking about youth set ups, I never mentioned scouting!!!!
And giving me a link from the official website, plus capello - ha ha:o
Stats and stats and more stats - yawn
If you have been following football for a long time you might have remembered that for a while it was a joke that Arsenal had never produced much from their academies or youths (like Chelsea at the moment)
And Brady didnt cover himself in glory with Celtic or Brighton.
Just saying that they always go on about Brady and the youths in Arsenal despite him not bringing up into the first team any decent players (apart from Ashley Cole), and no Irish youngsters as well (what him been Irish and all)
Meow!Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
Brian Kerr would be ideal but that's not going to happen.
Maybe Stan, he seemed very interested in giving a different few young lads a chance with every squad he announced :D
Not so easy to come up with a name, maybe that's wh Givens has been there so long :)
You can listen to the interview online with NewsTalk's listen back feature: http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/
Select Off The Ball from the program list, and it's part 2 of the November 26th episode
The interview with Givens starts just after the 25 minute mark
The interview does start badly, but I think some of the points that he makes towards the end are fair
Listened to that interview (twice!) and the only conclusion to draw is this man is deluded and should be cut loose.
At no time during the entire interview did he accept any blame for the mess he has created.
This man acts like the untouchable Al Capone within the FAI. The man he hired, Trap, won't sack him nor will his bum buddy Delaney.
Note how he states anything below the senior team is about development and how he shrugs off the notion that qualifying for a major finals would benefit the players.
Think he got quite an easy ride from Newstalk. They didn't they press him on Stokes of Treacy, all he spoke about was how unacceptable it was for a player not to turn up. I think in both their cases, there were explanations by their clubs but he's having none of it.
As for the innocence about Chris McCann, here's his response two years ago to a question after he asked to go home?
["Will I pick him again? Would you?" asked the furious Irish boss.]
Givens - you are an utter clown and the interview went to serve how much of an embarassment you really are.
A lot of people say Steve Bould is the man most responsible for the success of youth development at Arsenal. He's the actual coach.
I had some degree of sympathy for Givens with regard to his attitude to miscreant players, but young footballers are prats as a general rule and you've got to be able to manage them.
I've always felt it'd be good to have Steve Heighway in the underage set up, even as U21 coach. Irish and has a great record at Liverpool.