The BIG debate

to many threads taken over by people either for or against richie ryan and danny ventre so thought we should start a proper thread to stop other ones getting taken over.
i for one have nothing personal against either as i firmly believe they are both commited just richie has not got the athleticism to give a big effort in games, whether that be from injury or not. as for danny. the white pele he is far from but he is totally commited and that sort of makes up for his lack of ability. i know people will come on now and say this is not the place for slating players and now is not the time after final but its a forum for gods sake and thats why we are all here.
for me its time for a few dead wood to be let go from the club and imo richie would be the first one, actually no i would put kendrick there. cash i think also but he is a handy sub. but marshall needs more games next year to bring him on a bit and with cash here it mite limit his appearances.
ciaran kelly does not set the world alight for me but as subs go he is twice as good as jennings last year !!! we need to keep our best players and if that means getting rid of one or two nice guys so be it. its a tough world this year and we have no europe money next year and we could easily go out of cups early.

Ventre- A good worker, honest, versatile and commited. Very lilimited vision, very bad passer and hot headed at times. A good asset to the club, LoI is his level and we are a good club for him to be at. Ideally you would play him with a creative player in the middle if missing O'Grady or anywhere across the defence.

Ryan - Not getting into it again, hopefully he never plays again for the Rovers

going by the pfai transfer list, it says danny, keano, brushie and butler are unemployed and looking for new clubs. if kendrick is at the club next year i will lose all faith in cookie. he has been useless all year. he is no better than holmes imo. i know its hard saying here player not good enuf but we have a lot who are quality. brush, peers, boco and raf and turner is the backbone of an excellent side. personally my review of players this year is.
brush 7/10 boco 9/10 peers 8/10 keane 7/10 keohane 6/10 feeney 5.5/10 camano 5/10 doyle 6.5/10 ryan 4.75/10 ventre 7/10 o grady 6.75/10 morrison 6/10 meenan 5/10 marshall 6.5/10 cash 6/10 raf 9/10 blinkhorn 8/10 turner 5/10

sure dannys the white pele what more would ye want

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Originally Posted by CF1989

sure dannys the white pele what more would ye want

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When you describe Danny as 'the white Pele' I can only assume that you are saying that he does not suffer from erectile dysfunction.

in football terms

i think danny will stay as he is a good utility player but i think the club needs more strength in dept but only what the budget can afford. my first port of call would be a new left back, i believe we need a new winger and central midfielder and a goal scorer as blinkhorn is a great player but not an out and out scorer of goals.
i think doyle could do a job upfront as he has poached a few important goals this year for us and i believe he is more of a striker than winger.

We need a new left back and the rest depends on who leaves!

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Originally Posted by red_away

We need a new left back and the rest depends on who leaves!

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we need a lot of players to bring more quality, we just wont have the money to bring players in here, there and everywhere

i know what your saying and turner signing will be huge, as how many discussions last year did we have about teams just walking through our centre midfield. but one position i think we need filled badly is left back. kendrick is just not up to it. i have never seen a player become so incompetent in my life.

Must agree Kendrick hasn't done his stuff. Very disappointing impact since he came.
He's certainly no Chris Butler.

i think hes been good in alot of games, but when he's played bad he's been terrible. got caught out 4 times with diagonal balls in behind on sunday and almost cost us a penalty in the first half from it. i wouldnt release him though. not until we're sure on a butler return

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Originally Posted by CF1989

i think hes been good in alot of games, but when he's played bad he's been terrible. got caught out 4 times with diagonal balls in behind on sunday and almost cost us a penalty in the first half from it. i wouldnt release him though. not until we're sure on a butler return

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Would have to agree, I think he's a decent player and also gives us a good attacking dimension on the left, going forward on the overlap.

Ventre I'll be going nowhere, with Boco going or gone and Turner half in he's the new Right back with Butler at LB ;)

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Originally Posted by Bravo

Ventre I'll be going nowhere, with Boco going or gone and Turner half in he's the new Right back with Butler at LB ;)

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Why would ya play the best midfielder in the country at right back?

if raff goes id like to see him just playing in behind blinky. give him a free role, we'll challenge the top two then

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Originally Posted by CF1989

if raff goes id like to see him just playing in behind blinky. give him a free role, we'll challenge the top two then

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Not a bad call,he could have a lot of joy in that role with players of the quality of turner and o'grady to win the ball for him

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Originally Posted by Bravo

Ventre I'll be going nowhere, with Boco going or gone and Turner half in he's the new Right back with Butler at LB ;)

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I think what Bravo is saying here is that Danny will be the new right back. With Boco gone and Turner coming into midfield this frees up Danny to slot in at RB.

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Originally Posted by CF1989

if raff goes id like to see him just playing in behind blinky. give him a free role, we'll challenge the top two then

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Originally Posted by roversforever

Not a bad call,he could have a lot of joy in that role with players of the quality of turner and o'grady to win the ball for him

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Again I think CF is talking about Turner here.

no no, i was talking about Mr Pele

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Originally Posted by CF1989

no no, i was talking about Mr Pele

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As was I