Merge the FAI and IFA (United Ireland Discussion)

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Originally Posted by Metrostars

So???

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I would respectfully refer you to the history of the game - in particular, the year 1882.

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Originally Posted by boovidge

I understand it's all hypothetical but it's not exactly in the realms of fantasy that Scots independence would throw up serious questions about Northern Ireland's future. I only mentioned it because NB seemed to be saying that N.I were part of the UK whether the rest of the union wanted them or not.

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And, what I said is correct.

On the basis that there is a United Kingdom (which, I believe there will be for hundreds of years to come), Northern Ireland will remain a part of it, for so long as the greater number of people in Northern Ireland wish it to remain so.

What people think elsewhere about that, is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

That was the point way up thread I made to NB, way over his head, about London or Yorkshire or Cork starting their own teams....which are as logical as a certain other side!

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So, you support the idea of an "All UK" team?

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

And, what I said is correct.

On the basis that there is a United Kingdom (which, I believe there will be for hundreds of years to come), Northern Ireland will remain a part of it, for so long as the greater number of people in Northern Ireland wish it to remain so.

What people think elsewhere about that, is irrelevant.

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Id say you have about 15-20 years max before there is a nationalist majority. http://ulstersdoomed.blogspot.com/se...bel/Demography

The "NI" state will not exist long after that so a football team will be out of the question.

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Originally Posted by Riddickcule

Spot on peader, exactly what i think, i think this COULD trigger NI seceding also, which would leave them no choice really but to unify.

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Well, really, there are other options.;)

I'm sure you can work them out - at least one "fcuk them pesky unionists" contributor has alluded to one of them earlier in the thread.

The United Kingdom won't be falling apart any time soon - certainly not in your lifetime. So, don't be losing to much sleep creaming yourself over the thought of Irish "Unity" (sic) through default.;)

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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry

Id say you have about 15-20 years max before there is a nationalist majority. http://ulstersdoomed.blogspot.com/se...bel/Demography

The "NI" state will not exist long after that so a football team will be out of the question.

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I heard the same thing 40 years ago.

Keep taking the hallucination pills.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I heard the same thing 40 years ago.

Keep taking the hallucination pills.

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Keep living in denial. Demographics dont lie.

In the 2007 assembly election Nationalists were only 42,000 votes off a majority. It was only 32,000 in this years euro elections although i would'nt count this as the turnout was low.

Assuming a strong correlation between religion and political preference. ie catholic/nationalist and protestant/unionist

The population of NI under the age of 28 years old has a catholic majority.
This is supported by yearly births being by majority catholic parents, school/college goers are majority catholic.

Two thirds of deaths in Nortern Ireland are protestant.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

their mates in the BNP

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That's rich, coming from you - the author of quotes straight out of the BNP book of political thinking.:D

The BNP are no "mates" of mine - scum of the highest order. How any Loyalist could support them is beyond me. Our forefathers would be turning in their graves at the thought of any Loyalist giving credance to such vermin.

More of a Conservative, me. They seem to support the Union.;)

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I love the irony in that.:D

Once upon a time, there was only one football Association on the island of Ireland - the Irish Football Association.

Then, there was a breakaway Association formed.

That breakaway Association didn't like the Irish Football Association continuing to play players from throughout the 32 Counties.

They huffed and they puffed, and cried "it's not fair" in order to get it stopped.

The breakaway Association asked for a "Gentleman's Agreement" - they got it.

Many years later, the breakaway Association decided it wanted to pick players throughout the island of Ireland - the "Gentleman's Agreement" with the founding Association on the island was in tatters.

Supporters of the founding Association on the island got a tad ****ed off at this, but took the punch, and are moving on.

Now, supporters of the breakaway Association wish to see the very destruction of the founding Association.

They wonder why supporters of the founding Association want fcuk all to do with a "united" team.

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Why not read my earlier response to John B.up thread before you 're-write' history, which seems to be a habit of :rolleyes: certain unionists.

Anyway, it doesn't include the logic of selecting from a wider pool of players, as pointed out in a number of other posts. Which is the case with numerous other Irish sports teams!

Even one or two of your 'compatriots' acknowledge this, even though they're not currently in favour for the soccer! ;)

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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry

Keep living in denial. Demographics dont lie.

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I'm not in denial.

I believe, honestly, that Northern Ireland's place within the Union is safe for many years to come.

And - with Marty and Gerry's continued help, it'll become even safer.:D

Best keep the topic here football related - if you want to discuss "demographics", no problem...but not here.

Furthermore, in the (highly unlikely) event of you being right, I'm sure you'll be upholding the right of any player born in Northern Ireland to elect to play for either one of the other British Associations (or, indeed, an "All UK" team):)

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

the logic of selecting from a wider pool of players

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That "logic" also dictates that many players born in Northern Ireland would be denied the opportunity (which they get at present) to perform on the International stage.

We're not interested KK - just get that into your napper, and let it go.


If you want a wider pool to pick from - look elsewhere. I'm sure there's loads of guys in the USA eligible to play for you?

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

The BNP are no "mates" of mine - scum of the highest order. How any Loyalist could support them is beyond me. Our forefathers would be turning in their graves at the thought of any Loyalist giving credance to such vermin.

More of a Conservative, me. They seem to support the Union.

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More fool them. Why?

And clearly you choose to ignore the links the BNP/Tories have to Loyalists & unionists. They all come out from under the same stone, with varying degrees of anti-Irish rhetoric, amongst others, when it suits their them or their constituency.

Though to be fair to the unionists & Conservatives, they have learnt to be a little more conciliatory in recent times....

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

More fool them. Why?
They all come out from under the same stone, with varying degrees of anti-Irish rhetoric

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Seeing as I am Irish, I don't like that auld "anti Irish" malarky.

I detest the BNP. You obviously like their thinking.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

On the basis that there is a United Kingdom (which, I believe there will be for hundreds of years to come), Northern Ireland will remain a part of it, for so long as the greater number of people in Northern Ireland wish it to remain so.

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Which has existed in its current form for all of 87 years. Hmm.

We'll all be dead, but be surprised if it lasts :rolleyes: another 87....You make it sound like the Third Reich!

The IFA has lasted longer! Fair play to them. They're more credible.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I'm not in denial.

I believe, honestly, that Northern Ireland's place within the Union is safe for many years to come.

And - with Marty and Gerry's continued help, it'll become even safer.:D

Best keep the topic here football related - if you want to discuss "demographics", no problem...but not here.

Furthermore, in the (highly unlikely) event of you being right, I'm sure you'll be upholding the right of any player born in Northern Ireland to elect to play for either one of the other British Associations (or, indeed, an "All UK" team):)

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I think demographics are very relevant in the context of an All Ireland team or the status quo.

If there was a vote carried for a UI tomorrow, it would automatically mean a UI team.

I dont know how you feel so confident that Northern Ireland's place within the Union is safe for many years to come.

Do you choose to ignore demographic thrends? Do you not believe there will be a nationalist majority by approx 2020?

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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry

Do you choose to ignore demographic thrends? Do you not believe there will be a nationalist majority by approx 2020?

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1. No - I do, however, believe that 64.163% of statistics are lies.

2. No - I don't. I base that on "demographic" surveys.:D

Gather Round.

You honestly believe that the nationalist minority which started at 33% in 1921 will miracuously stop at 46%? Believe that if you want. The facts suggest otherwise. Unionists are in denial so Im not suprised by your attitude.

Any liks for the "analyses you have read"?

Ah plan B. Repartition. Did you ever read the GFA. It gives two options UI or status quo. Repartition is not a runner under any circumstances.

Yes I can count. Your 41.3% and 124,000 is based on "nationalist" vs "unionist" and "other" cumulatively. ie the green party and alliance are not designated nationalist or unionist. Trust me it was 42,000.

Given the contentious nature of the subject matter and the numerous associated issues, the debate has been fairly reasoned so far.

At worst, there may have been 'childish' banter but we're all human !

Childish banter on political subjects - even footie politics - is WUMming in my book. If it's not intended as a WUM, someone will construe it as one. Same result.

Not Brazil, have a look at MultiQuote, it's very easy to use.

adam

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I would respectfully refer you to the history of the game - in particular, the year 1882.



And, what I said is correct.

On the basis that there is a United Kingdom (which, I believe there will be for hundreds of years to come), Northern Ireland will remain a part of it, for so long as the greater number of people in Northern Ireland wish it to remain so.

What people think elsewhere about that, is irrelevant.



So, you support the idea of an "All UK" team?

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Just checking multi quote

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

1. No - I do, however, believe that 64.163% of statistics are lies.

2. No - I don't. I base that on "demographic" surveys.:D

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Just checking

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Originally Posted by dahamsta

Childish banter on political subjects - even footie politics - is WUMming in my book. If it's not intended as a WUM, someone will construe it as one. Same result.

Not Brazil, have a look at MultiQuote, it's very easy to use.

adam

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