Anyone else hear this. Wasn't happy at not starting the game tomorrow night. Sad if it ends this way.
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Anyone else hear this. Wasn't happy at not starting the game tomorrow night. Sad if it ends this way.
From FAI website
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...k=view&id=4320Quote:
The availability of Given and the need for Trapattoni to give Keiren Westwood some first-team experience with Ireland meant that there was no place in the squad for the game for Dean Kiely, the West Bromwich Albion goalkeeper. He was allowed leave the camp in London and return home.
its funny how the FAI always put things out, but i spose they are right to do that.
In fairness though, if its based around the nigeria game then wouldn't it be a fair gesture if he wanted to spend time with his family and then come back for the plane for bulgaria....
re:read the other thread:
Given,
Foley,
Dunne,
St Ledger,
Nolan,
Lawrence,
Miller,
Andrews,
Duff(or McGeady)
Keane,
Best.
i thought given wasn't fit...
http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/kie...bt-412703.html
its understandable yet disappointing.
Back for Bulgaria?
Just by the fact that Trap is considering calling up Joe Murphy, Colin Doyle or Paddy Kenny I would imagine Kiely wont be back
Absolutely pointless playing Given in the Nigeria game. Westwood and Kiely should've been given a half each.
Why call up Colin Doyle he's crap!Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
I totally agree but it looks like Given really wants to set an unbeatable record of most caps for an Irish 'keeper and possibly an Irish player. Although it's looking like the second record will be a close call between Keane and Given.Quote:
Originally Posted by gwhite
Given has 6 more caps but is four years older than Robbie. However a 'keeper can usually play at a higer level for longer than a striker.
Will depend on injuries, form and competition as to which one will get the most caps. Neither need to worry about the competition in the near future.
I hope not, great time for Kiely, who knows what might have happened had he been playing most of the games for West Brom this season, they might have stayed up!
mmm...amazing how people reactions are different for other players who supposidly walked out on the squad.
This is the 2nd time he has quit the Ireland squad because he wasnt getting picked.Personally Im not too bothered because although I think he is a good keeper he doesnt have many years of football left anyway
I don't think his age matters. His ability as a goalkeeper does matter.
Kiely is man I'd want as Shay's first deputy right up the end of our WC 2010 adventure.
Poor man management on Trap's part in my view. With Given's injury problem it was a perfect excuse to give Kiely and Westwood a half each.
That said, I think at this stage Westwood is probably at a similar level to Kiely so I don't really know who would be the better option.
Kiely has the benefit of experience, while Westwood has the benefit of being match sharp.
Disappointed Kiely has decided to leave, but at this stage you can imagine how frustrated he must be feeling by getting snubbed for both club and country when he really hasn't deserved it.
If given isn't there we have no hope whether its Kiely or Westwood in goal. If he doesn't want to play for Ireland I say let him go. It amazes me the Stephen Ireland was hung drawn and quatered by some, while Kiely is getting the softly softly treatment. I mean lets face it, Mr Ireland had a much better reason for wanting to go home. Kiely is having a huff at not getting picked ahead of one of the worlds top 3 goalies.
Doyle and Westwood should be the cover for Given. A few caps will be of enormous benefit to them. Kiely is almost finished anyway.
If you'll forgive me for "intruding on private grief", I am always mindful of something Alex Ferguson once said about disaffected players:Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
"What people should never forget is that I'm not here to please the players, the players are here to please me"
NI had a number of such instances when Sanchez was in charge and he was similarly unyielding. And although it might have cost us the services of "valuable" players in the short term, this was more than compensated by the long term effect on discipline, commitment and squad unity, something which Worthington is benefitting from even yet, I'd say.
I suspect that Trapp is of the same mind and your/his team will be the better for it.
Trust me, I'm not one for kissing up to people or stroking egos, but in this situation Shay is struggling with an injury, but wants to play anyways, which I think is too risky.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
I'd tell Shay, you're starting the qualifier, and I want to have a look at my alternatives by giving the other two lads a half each. End of story.
Sounds like the only ego being stroked here is Shay Given's, and possibly at the cost of his fitness.
As for the person above saying we'd be done without Given, take a look at the Columbia match, where Kiely was Man of the Match by a mile.
Kiely isn't expecting to start ahead of Shay Given, but I think he deserved to play a half against Nigeria.
What other players "supposedly" walked out of the squad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
I can think of two who definitely spit their dummies and and most definitely walked out. Neither came to a reasonable conclusion that they were surplus to requirements either.
This isn't the same as an outfield player either where they may not be what the manager is after because they don't suit his system. This guy has a CV. Kieran Westwood has a lesser CV. If Trap wanted him to come back as a de facto goalkeeping coach he should've been straight with him.
As for Kielys previous retirement ...he was playing blinders for Charlton while Harper was keeping Shay out of the Newcastle team. He'd a right to be sniffing his armpits then. He has every right now not to accept being third choice keeper behind a guy who has one season in the championship under his belt.
He quite possibly would have closer to the 60 cap mark if Given hadn't have been around. A very good goalkeeper and I for one am dissapointed that he has left the squad.
Honestly the third string goalie? who cares?
He has a right to be disappointed - hell even exasperated - at not being picked. Announcing he's not playing any more is childish. I've come to expect no less from a pro footballer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie