Europa League 2009

Just found that Pats have been confirmed as entering the Europa League qualifiers at the 2nd round stage this year. Presumably Derry and Sligo have either found out, or about to.

There's a chance we might even be seeded for the 2nd round, in what is now, a region free tournament.

First Round qualifiying games (if any irish clubs involved) will be played on the 2nd and 9th of July

Second round qualifying games (with pats and hopefully Sligo and Derry involved) will be played on the 16th and 23rd of July

I suppose it's good news really, but from a coefficient gathering point of view I'd rather they started in the first qualifying round for a few easy points!

Congrats to Pats though- the first Irish side to be exempted from a round of European football on merit?

Doubt ourselves and Derry would get 2nd Round as well....

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Originally Posted by seand

I suppose it's good news really, but from a coefficient gathering point of view I'd rather they started in the first qualifying round for a few easy points!

Congrats to Pats though- the first Irish side to be exempted from a round of European football on merit?

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The way Pats are playing this year there would've been no easy points in that first round, so best to go out to a higher team.

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Originally Posted by seand

I suppose it's good news really, but from a coefficient gathering point of view I'd rather they started in the first qualifying round for a few easy points!

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Someone will no doubt confirm this, but don't we get the first round points anyway?

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Originally Posted by thischarmingman

Someone will no doubt confirm this, but don't we get the first round points anyway?

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This wasn't the case in previous years, but I think the new rules have changed it.

I'm fairly certain we get the same prize money as if we won the first round (and to clubs, thats way, way more important than co-efficient points)

I heard that co-eff points may be calculated by round reached rather than from the games played.

Dodge,

Derry are in the first round and will be seeded.

However there is a mass confusion regarding whether it will be regionalised draws or not. The new "competition regulations" are not published until the end of the month.

I even rang up the UEFA press office last week and the fella basically said there was a fair chance that it could still be regionalised. I can't remember the exact quote but he did quote one of the regulations which was along the lines of "the competition committee have the right to divide qualifying teams in teams of geography for the basis of the qualifying rounds"

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...,226.40625&z=2


There is the map of possible opponents for Derry and Sligo, assuming no regionalistion. There are some nightmare draws, particularly as the first game is 10 days after the draw. Some of the trips you are looking at several €k for flight only!

hope UEFA do regionalise the draw, could potentially bankrupt a club if you have to play for chartered flights,which cost up to €2k each, as far as Kazakhstan/Moldova

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Just found that Pats have been confirmed as entering the Europa League qualifiers at the 2nd round stage this year. Presumably Derry and Sligo have either found out, or about to.

There's a chance we might even be seeded for the 2nd round, in what is now, a region free tournament.

First Round qualifiying games (if any irish clubs involved) will be played on the 2nd and 9th of July

Second round qualifying games (with pats and hopefully Sligo and Derry involved) will be played on the 16th and 23rd of July

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UEFA published Access List suggest Derry City as runners-up to Bohs in the Cup Final would take the CW spot in the second qualifying round while St.Pats (RU) and Sligo Rovers (N3, 3rd place team) would take a spot each in the first qualifying round.
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uef...id=788326.html

December 2008
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uef...id=788365.html

"• The winners of those 25 ties are joined in the second qualifying round by the domestic cup winners from the associations ranked 28 to 51 in the UEFA coefficient, the runners-up from the associations ranked 19 to 34, the third-placed sides from the associations ranked 16 to 21, the fourth-placed sides from the associations ranked 10 to 15 and the fifth-placed sides from the associations ranked 7 to 9. These ties are also played over two legs, home and away...."

While Rep. of Irl. are ranked 35# there may have been some fluctuation with the clubs/assoc. above St.Pats allowing them gain at least one place and the rather big prize of a further round.
( is it possible to return to your source and request how St. Pats are in 2q round. It reduces speculation.)

It's my understanding that no points are awarded for matches which are not played. (However, see below for stuff on more points the longer a club remains in the competition.)

Regarding the current co-efficient quantities and measurement in a Nov. 2008 edition of the UEFA Direct (Page 6) there's a small piece on the new changes.
http://www.uefa.com/multimediafiles/...3_download.pdf

It mentions increased points for the tougher Champions League. Points for individual clubs at the qualifying stage aswel as the Association (previously only the Assoc. benefitted.). And the overall Nat. Assoc. contribution was reduced from 33% to 20%. So regular clubs will rely more on their own efforts while the irregular qualifiers will start with less.

After Edit:
Speculation Warning: St.Pats may be the principal LoI applicant because UEFA dont accept the runners-up of the domestic cup as CW anymore.
(I'll have a look for my own benefit.)

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Originally Posted by Rovers1

hope UEFA do regionalise the draw, could potentially bankrupt a club if you have to play for chartered flights,which cost up to €2k each, as far as Kazakhstan/Moldova

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You can get me a chartered plane to either of those places for €2k a head? Can I have the name of your contact?

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Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

UEFA published Access List suggest Derry City as runners-up to Bohs in the Cup Final would take the CW spot in the second qualifying round while St.Pats (RU) and Sligo Rovers (N3, 3rd place team) would take a spot each in the first qualifying round.

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That would've been the case had Derry won the Cup, but Cup Runners Up (LC) are treated as the lowest qualifier, and as Derry ae already N3, they take that spot instead (being higher than LC)

For a team lke Falkirk, if they win the Scottish cup they'd enter in the 4th QR, but if they lose the Scottish Cup final they'd enter in the 2nd QR (same as Pats)

As I've said its been confirmed to Pats that we're entering in QR2

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Originally Posted by Rovers1

could potentially bankrupt a club if you have to play for chartered flights,which cost up to €2k each, as far as Kazakhstan/Moldova

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Or the Ukraine :o :D

Last year if you skipped a round you got the co-efficient points for that round anyway

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

Last year if you skipped a round you got the co-efficient points for that round anyway

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No you didn't. The new points system is just beginning for 2009/10 European competition.

If bohs get thrown out of the league before the euorpean football kicks off again, will Derry be in the Champions League ?

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Originally Posted by Rovers1

hope UEFA do regionalise the draw, could potentially bankrupt a club if you have to play for chartered flights,which cost up to €2k each, as far as Kazakhstan/Moldova

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Agree , who the feck let Kazashstan in Europe? Looking at the map we could be playing a Europa cup tie beside Mongolia , when I went to school Europe ended in Istanbul , crazy if not regionalised , i'm slighty biased as due to work commitments can't travel too far in early July so would love a Norn Ire or Welsh team first.

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Originally Posted by londonred

Agree , who the feck let Kazashstan in Europe? Looking at the map we could be playing a Europa cup tie beside Mongolia , when I went to school Europe ended in Istanbul , crazy if not regionalised , i'm slighty biased as due to work commitments can't travel too far in early July so would love a Norn Ire or Welsh team first.

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A trip to the north or wales would be great from a financial viewpoint, I suppose my other way of thinking is that a european trip should be to a country with a foregin language, make it more authentic and different.

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Originally Posted by redobit

A trip to the north or wales would be great from a financial viewpoint, I suppose my other way of thinking is that a european trip should be to a country with a foregin language, make it more authentic and different.

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No problem - sure they all speak Ulster-Scots in NI anyway :D

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Originally Posted by Dodge

That would've been the case had Derry won the Cup, but Cup Runners Up (LC) are treated as the lowest qualifier, and as Derry ae already N3, they take that spot instead (being higher than LC)

For a team lke Falkirk, if they win the Scottish cup they'd enter in the 4th QR, but if they lose the Scottish Cup final they'd enter in the 2nd QR (same as Pats)

As I've said its been confirmed to Pats that we're entering in QR2

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Are prev yrs results not used now for eg Cliftonville or Crusaders would miss a round before Derry as they won the cup in the North

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Just found that Pats have been confirmed as entering the Europa League qualifiers at the 2nd round stage this year. Presumably Derry and Sligo have either found out, or about to.

There's a chance we might even be seeded for the 2nd round, in what is now, a region free tournament.

First Round qualifying games (if any irish clubs involved) will be played on the 2nd and 9th of July

Second round qualifying games (with pats and hopefully Sligo and Derry involved) will be played on the 16th and 23rd of July

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Derry and Sligo will be in the First round alright and they will be seeded

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Originally Posted by Rovers1

Doubt ourselves and Derry would get 2nd Round as well....

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Sligo and Derry should be able of beating any unseeded first round qualifying of Europa league club faroe islands,San Marino,welsh, Ni, Wales etc

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Originally Posted by seand

I suppose it's good news really, but from a coefficient gathering point of view I'd rather they started in the first qualifying round for a few easy points!

Congrats to Pats though- the first Irish side to be exempted from a round of European football on merit?

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Yes we would pick up more points in the 1st round but next year we will prob have 2 clubs in the second qualifying round and 1 in the first qualifying round. but that means we will have bigger games in Europe and more challenging games but with higher rewards.

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Originally Posted by Rovers1

hope UEFA do regionalise the draw, could potentially bankrupt a club if you have to play for chartered flights,which cost up to €2k each, as far as Kazakhstan/Moldova

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you mean if they don't regionilise the draw.

if they do regionilise the draw yee are more likely to play Welsh,Ni,Luvemberg, or Scandinavian opposition ie less traveling.

If they don't regionalise it then yee could be traveling to the Asian countries,former Yugoslavian countries, Baltic Countries, Cyprus (not a bad one), Malta etc.