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25/03/2009, 8:16 PM
Denis The Red

The Damned United

Saw a trailer the other day and it looked good. Big Cloughie fan as he was larger than life. However it seems the movie and book has been lambasted by his family. Has anyone seen or read it yet.
Would also be interested in John Giles' depiction in it as the rumours were at the time that he was to succeed Revie and that he and a couple of senior players plotted against Clough. Et tu, Brute?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYzsswqPk6s
25/03/2009, 8:32 PM
NeilMcD

Giles went to court and got the book changed as a result. Ini his interview last week on Newstalk which is podcast he described it as Arty Farty nonesense.
26/03/2009, 8:02 AM
drummerboy

Saw a great documentary on UTV about Clought. Giles was on saying that the book was a work of fiction based on fact. He lambasted it and referred to suing the publishers and winning. He said most of the main characters Clough, Revie, Bremner were all dead and if they had still being alive the book would never have reached the bookshelves. Clough is painted as a very dark character. Giles said it was totally wrong. He actually said Clough was a genius, despite the conflict he had with him at Leeds.

The film is a lot lighter from what I have heard from critics on RTE the other night. They said it was well worth a look.
26/03/2009, 10:15 AM
Hibs4Ever

In middle of reading the book jow. Great read so far. Makes all the Leeds players of the time out to be right c**ts
26/03/2009, 2:13 PM
Denis The Red

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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

Makes all the Leeds players of the time out to be right c**ts

Is it accurate do you think or is it all bullsh1t?
26/03/2009, 2:22 PM
Bluebeard

Read it, loved it. Giles is often referred to as "the Irishman", possibly where he was unhappy, I'm guessing. Certainly a work of fiction based on fact, as it purports to be. Clough does not come out a complete hero from it either, so I am very keen to see the Clough thing from last night - I recorded it at my girlfriends and I praying some of her house mates don't arbitrarily decide that they need to delete it as only 72% of memory is available (I checked to make sure I could defend this) and they need to record G**Bags Spout Sh!te About Clothes on the E Channel while they watch it, just in case they miss something when talking obnoxiously about how they are in favour of current affairs and stuff, and are delighted that Jessica Simpson won the phone vote to be America's Next Black President:mad:
26/03/2009, 2:30 PM
noby

Taylor Parkes, who is usually spot on, reviews the film here
27/03/2009, 12:13 AM
gilberto_eire

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Originally Posted by Bluebeard

Read it, loved it. Giles is often referred to as "the Irishman", possibly where he was unhappy, I'm guessing. Certainly a work of fiction based on fact, as it purports to be. Clough does not come out a complete hero from it either, so I am very keen to see the Clough thing from last night - I recorded it at my girlfriends and I praying some of her house mates don't arbitrarily decide that they need to delete it as only 72% of memory is available (I checked to make sure I could defend this) and they need to record G**Bags Spout Sh!te About Clothes on the E Channel while they watch it, just in case they miss something when talking obnoxiously about how they are in favour of current affairs and stuff, and are delighted that Jessica Simpson won the phone vote to be America's Next Black President:mad:

You must have a lot of issues with your girlfriends room mates....... spitting venom:D
27/03/2009, 9:10 AM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by Denis The Red

Is it accurate do you think or is it all bullsh1t?

havent got around to reading the book yet, and will watch the movie soon, but that Leeds team were the dirtiest team EVER. I mean you had Charlton, Hunter, Giles, Bremner etc and they used to kick lumps out of opposition players. having said that they could play some decent football to- when it suited them
27/03/2009, 2:06 PM
Lionel Ritchie

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

havent got around to reading the book yet, and will watch the movie soon, but that Leeds team were the dirtiest team EVER. I mean you had Charlton, Hunter, Giles, Bremner etc and they used to kick lumps out of opposition players. having said that they could play some decent football to- when it suited them

Oh be nice. ...when it suited them? Like when? ...like when winning what ... six major trophies? That team was stuffed full of first choice internationals and only won half the honours they deserved.
27/03/2009, 2:36 PM
The Fly

Did Clough's performances as a TV pundit not remind you of someone?
27/03/2009, 3:05 PM
DaveyCakes

I'm interested to see this, if a little apprehensive...its not as if football movies have a glorious history!
27/03/2009, 4:06 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by Bluebeard

Giles is often referred to as "the Irishman", possibly where he was unhappy, I'm guessing.

yeah, that was part of the outcome from the court case

Giles had an article in the Herald about it recently, you can read it here: http://www.herald.ie/opinion/columni...s-1672328.html
and he metions it towards the end of this podcast from NewsTalk: http://83.138.170.50/podcasts/audio/1203giles.mp3
27/03/2009, 11:13 PM
Denis The Red

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

Oh be nice. ...when it suited them? Like when? ...like when winning what ... six major trophies? That team was stuffed full of first choice internationals and only won half the honours they deserved.

True, they were a decent team, there's no denying that but they also made Wimbledon's crazy gang look like choir boys at times.
It was a different time of course when it was a goal when you sent the goalkeeper flying into the net with the ball instead of it being a free out, oh happy days...
Everyone had their "hard men", Norman Hunter of the previously mentioned Leed's among others that they had, Chopper Harris of Chelsea, Tommy Smyth was tough enough, and little Nobby Stiles was nobody's bitch either. Even abroad, people like Gentile of Italy would give you nightmares. These guys from that time were idolised for their toughness and rough house tactics, now they get hung, drawn and quartered if you "go to ground in a tackle":rolleyes:. Don't get me wrong there's a difference between hard and dirty, but sometimes you feel the game has gone soft.
Anyway back to the point, did Giles and co run Clough out of Leeds or was it like John said, fiction based on fact?

"Read the book, go to see the movie but at all times remember that Peace and the filmmakers have created a production that may well be entertaining"
I will John, thanks.;)
28/03/2009, 12:56 AM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by Denis The Red

Anyway back to the point, did Giles and co run Clough out of Leeds or was it like John said, fiction based on fact?

Fiction based on fact, several conversations in the book where Giles is supposed to be orchestrating Clough's sacking never took place, also Clough was not drinking at the time, certainly not as much as in his later years at Forest anyway.
28/03/2009, 10:05 AM
Razors left peg

I havent read the book yet but this is Giles opinion on the book and the movie....
http://www.herald.ie/opinion/columni...s-1672328.html
28/03/2009, 5:43 PM
bennocelt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

Oh be nice. ...when it suited them? Like when? ...like when winning what ... six major trophies? That team was stuffed full of first choice internationals and only won half the honours they deserved.

are you for real:rolleyes:
That team was the dirtiest team EVER , not that im complaining - sometimes it would be good to see such tackling these days
29/03/2009, 7:42 PM
jebus

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

Oh be nice. ...when it suited them? Like when? ...like when winning what ... six major trophies? That team was stuffed full of first choice internationals and only won half the honours they deserved.

You win what you deserve in this game Lionel and Leeds bottled semi finals and finals far too often, not to mention Derby's title winning season, to say they deserved more.

Saw the movie today anyway and I really enjoyed it, not as much as the book but they are very different in tone in fairness
02/04/2009, 6:40 PM
Mad Moose

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Originally Posted by drummerboy

Saw a great documentary on UTV about Clought. Giles was on saying that the book was a work of fiction based on fact. He lambasted it and referred to suing the publishers and winning. He said most of the main characters Clough, Revie, Bremner were all dead and if they had still being alive the book would never have reached the bookshelves. Clough is painted as a very dark character. Giles said it was totally wrong. He actually said Clough was a genius, despite the conflict he had with him at Leeds.

The film is a lot lighter from what I have heard from critics on RTE the other night. They said it was well worth a look.

Clough was one of those characters that shaped my football life and interest and so I've read the book, was misled erribly by it, and I'm looking forward to seeing the film tomorrow night.

Saw the same documentary and I'm sorry I didn't see it before the book because I took things to be pretty much as they were in the book. Having seen the documenatary Giles lets you know how annoyed and angry he was and the fact that only he out of Revie and Bremner and himself, were still alive to take the author David Peace to court. Giles won. Some wonderful contributions from wife Barbara and son's Nigel and Simon.

The film is lighter and warmer and more affectionate toward Clough. The court case and family objections may have had something to do with it. Its filmed at Chesterfield's Saltergate and I was there when it was filming by chance as I was doing a return trip to the old ground.
03/04/2009, 12:57 AM
sligoman

Anyone know when this is in cinemas? Seems to be in some now but not all.

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