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Is Luca Toni the most overrated striker in Europe?
He seems to be one of those players who will bang goals in against Karsluhe and the likes but against any team of any sort of strength he is usless.
does anybody think hoffenheim could win the league? they brought in hildebrand, who i think was a quality keeper but seems to have struggled in spain.
would be unbelievable if Hoffenheim won the league but with Bayern losing this weekend the league is wide open.
Purchase of Hildebrand could be crucial for them.
ha yeah it would be and as well they won tonight against cottbus tonight 2-0. from a german football fans perspective i can see why they hate hoffenheim, but as an onlooker its cool to see, like manchester city in england.
here is a good source for german football btw
http://www.thelocal.de/sport/
Kroos of Bayern Munich has gone on loan to Bayer Leverkusen, he's highly thought of so its a bit suprising but should be good experience for him.
I think it is the most exiting league around, loads of goals, teams tend to play open football and stadiums are super and always full.
It is open this season at the moment, but with Ibisevic injured for the Hoffs, they may fade slowly as he was a key player for them. I think Bayern will get it in the end.
Luca Toni is a annoying striker at times, they only thing positive about him, is that he is always in a position to score, whether bad or good game. His movement is one of the best, his finishing at times can be poor but has shown quality finishing.
totally. my favourite 'tv' league.
how long is ibisevic out for?
The rest of the season.
Yet again, this league proves why it is the most exiting after the weekend so far.
Arminia Bielefeld 1 : 1 Bochum
Bayern 1 : 2 Cologne
Borussia M. 3 : 2 Hannover
Energie 2 : 1 Werder
Karlsruher 0 : 1 Eintracht Frankfurt
Stuttgart 3 : 3 Hoffenheim
Wolfsburg 2 : 1 Hertha
Hoffenheim missed a last minute penalty aswell.
I said before the Euros about how over-rated Luca Toni, Ibrahimalazybitch and Mario Gomez were.
Shocking strikers.
I think Toni's success in Germany shows the limitations of the league
I'm hoping Hertha win (or failing that Hoffenheim would be cool too)
But he was same in Serie A.
I was at Leverkusen v Bochum yesterday. Not a bad game, Leverkusenplayed some good football but didn't look sharp up front. They missed a couple of abolute sitters. Nice stadium (LTU Arena in Dusseldorf), but a disappointing crowd (26,000). There were 50,000 at Leverusen's cup win v Bayern in midweek.
I was at Leverkusen's first home match this season, except they were still playing in Leverkusen back then. The stadium was very small by Bundesliga standards. I presume they're playing in Dusseldorf now because their own stadium is being renovated?
very cool...im hoping to get to the allianz myself before the season is out.
I think, on the Luca Toni issue, that he is one of those strikers that seems to score lots of goals domestically, whether its Italy or Germany, but when he steps up in Europe or Internationally, he just doesn't cut the mustard. He's not as bad a player as some make out, he's just not a great player.
But look at the history books and you'll see a lot of medals in his CV.
i'm shocked at the form of Berlin to be honest. Voronin is on fire lately. I watched them live back in October and they seemed pretty average even though to be fair they were pretty high in the league back then.
Wonder what the odds of them winning bundesliga would have been at the start of the season?
PikeB I see what you mean by Toni, its just I feel he limits Klose when they play together. I might be wrong but I think stats show Klose scores far more goals when Toni isn't in the side.
Agreed. I am still gutted that he got Podolski's place. I rate Lucas very high.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
just switched over from rovers vs sligo match to see the latest. wolfsburg beating schalke 2-1..god schalke have been crap this season, same with bremen.
bayern beat bochum 3-0 today.
Hertha did it again, somehow getting a 1-0 at vs Leverkusen in Berlin. Bayern and HSV both won but Hoffenheim could only draw in Frankfurt, it looks like they might be slipping away from contention now.
If Hertha can win their next 4 games (away vs Stuttgart, who've dipped in form a little; home vs Dortmund; away vs Hannover; and home vs Werder) then I think the title is theirs. But Bayern only have one difficult match in that time, away at Wolfsburg, so any slip up could be a disaster for Hertha.
I had a sneaky punt on Wolfsburg at 12-1 last week. They're away at Bielefeld next week and then they have Bayern at home. They've won 11 of their 12 home games this season and drawn the other