This is not right!

Ok Im a UCD fan and it looks like were going down after tonights result. Im sure most of ye will be delighted to see us go.

But this Cork situation really has me p***ed off, and a few other clubs this year as well.

UCD have never reneged on paying players/staff wages. We are living within our means and we havent had to be bailed out by last minute investors and pleading to supporters (Sligo). We have not gone into receivership.

If we had done a Cork and spent mad money that we didnt have to buy better players, go into receivership, renege on wages, make drastic cuts of staff/players etc..and scrape a recovery plan before the end of the season we may have stayed up.

How fair is it that we do things correctly and Cork and others 'cheat' buy buying players they can't afford, they stay up and get bailed out and we go down?

So many clubs this year have had drastic finanical problems. If you can't run a business properly, like so many clubs have proved this year then you shouldnt be allowed in the league. It should be the FIRST priority.

Rant over.

Nice rant, maybe someone in the First Division will care;).

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Nice rant, maybe someone in the First Division will care;).

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I agree with him for one :)

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Originally Posted by Juanace

Ok Im a UCD fan and it looks like were going down after tonights result. Im sure most of ye will be delighted to see us go.

But this Cork situation really has me p***ed off, and a few other clubs this year as well.

UCD have never reneged on paying players/staff wages. We are living within our means and we havent had to be bailed out by last minute investors and pleading to supporters (Sligo). We have not gone into receivership.

If we had done a Cork and spent mad money that we didnt have to buy better players, go into receivership, renege on wages, make drastic cuts of staff/players etc..and scrape a recovery plan before the end of the season we may have stayed up.

How fair is it that we do things correctly and Cork and others 'cheat' buy buying players they can't afford, they stay up and get bailed out and we go down?

So many clubs this year have had drastic finanical problems. If you can't run a business properly, like so many clubs have proved this year then you shouldnt be allowed in the league. It should be the FIRST priority.

Rant over.

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life's tough. glad to see yell be going down!

The relegation battle isn't over, there are still 18 points to be played for, win half of them and it becomes interesting.

Besides, other clubs can be punished for breaking the wage cap regulations, while others may go out of business, before March.

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Originally Posted by Juanace

Ok Im a UCD fan and it looks like were going down after tonights result. Im sure most of ye will be delighted to see us go.

But this Cork situation really has me p***ed off, and a few other clubs this year as well.

UCD have never reneged on paying players/staff wages. We are living within our means and we havent had to be bailed out by last minute investors and pleading to supporters (Sligo). We have not gone into receivership.

If we had done a Cork and spent mad money that we didnt have to buy better players, go into receivership, renege on wages, make drastic cuts of staff/players etc..and scrape a recovery plan before the end of the season we may have stayed up.

How fair is it that we do things correctly and Cork and others 'cheat' buy buying players they can't afford, they stay up and get bailed out and we go down?

So many clubs this year have had drastic finanical problems. If you can't run a business properly, like so many clubs have proved this year then you shouldnt be allowed in the league. It should be the FIRST priority.

Rant over.

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I do have sympathy for clubs who run a tight ship finanically. We remember what happened to Shelbourne, anything can happen come seasons end. Who knows another club currently in the Premier might fold due the finanical constraints they have with been full-time and high wages given out to their players.

Yep, big sympathy for clubs who don't get acknowledgement for being run on good financial grounds. The clubs with a longer history in the premier, have fans who demand success at any cost and this leads to chairmen taking the big gamble. I personally would postpone the possibility of success in return for ensuring my club is here for generations to come.

If you didn't get a sweet deal from the College I suspect you'd get a bit more sympathy.

Sadly, the lesson is that running your club carefully brings little but pain in terms of results. There is always a bunch of other clubs overspending so you'll always be at a big disadvantage.

It's up to the FAI to try to even the field a bit through regulation and punishing clubs that make commitments that they cannot keep.

I think there is a fair chance of UCD staying up yet BTW...

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

If you didn't get a sweet deal from the College I suspect you'd get a bit more sympathy.

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We are nearly all getting sweet deals from somewhere. UCD from the college, Sporting Fingal & Shamrock Rovers from the local authority, Wexford Youths and others from wealthy benefactors.
Very few, if any, clubs match direct income to expenditure. No supporter can claim the high ground on this issue. The main problem is when clubs overstep the set boundaries, that's where sympathy should run out

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Originally Posted by Juanace

How fair is it that we do things correctly and Cork and others 'cheat' buy buying players they can't afford, they stay up and get bailed out and we go down?

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In fairness, Cork were 'bailed out' by their fans, not by the FAI or Govt, so IMO that's fair enough. They're still not grand yet either. If they can't clear their debts soon they will be relegated.
If Cork come up with the money that's all well and good. Whether or not they're paying the players the full amount of wages doesn't matter. That's between Cork and their staff, it's nothing to do with the rest of us.

I have a fair bit of sympathy for ye actually. I like UCD, they're one of the best run clubs in the country.
I don't think the relegation battle is over just yet (granted last night as a big blow), but sorry, I want ye's down, but only because I really want Harps to stay up.

How many other clubs are propped up by a large cash rich university?
Dry your eyes.

It's a little bit like the Sheffield United v West Ham saga over Carlos Tevez. Sheffield United were still one of the worst sides in the Premiership and have to accept some blame for their relegation. We have had the players this season to win more games than we have and we have to accept we haven't been doing enough on the field to stay up. Yes, other clubs are overspending and putting us at a disadvantage but that's a context we have been operating in for some time and will continue to be operating in and we must learn to cope and deal with that.

I know I shouldn't get sucked into this debate for the millionth time but UCD AFC raise the funds to pay for the sports scholarships themselves and UCD AFC and UCD RFC raised the money to renovate the Bowl. UCD AFC raises about 90% of its budget itself through its own activities. The help from the college is often overstated. Shamrock Rovers will get an equally if not as good as deal on their ground and clubs like Bohs have a scholarship scheme set up with DCU.

UCD are not funded by the university.

There's nowt we can do about it. It's our call to be sensible; if every other club in the league bar Rovers and Bray (kind of) are broke, then that'll come back to haunt them fairly soon, especially with the recession coming on, and then we'll have a bit of headstart on many of the clubs.

What really ****es me off, more than clubs spending recklessly, is clubs who, because of their reckless spending, are holding back on money to us. Clubs can screw themselves over all they want, but when it comes to actively screwing us over, that gets annoying.

I don't believe for a second the FAI will do anything about the wage cap.

as Platini says "its the cheats who are winning"!

bhs

May I be the first to point out that we have not entered receivership. Not sure where this notion has come from. Our club is still in examinership.

Secondly, brendy eire is absolutely spot on. It's as simple as this: if we don't pay what we owe, we WILL be relegated. If we pay it, then we stay up and your argument that we can't afford it is void.

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Originally Posted by adamd164

May I be the first to point out that we have not entered receivership. Not sure where this notion has come from. Our club is still in examinership.

Secondly, brendy eire is absolutely spot on. It's as simple as this: if we don't pay what we owe, we WILL be relegated. If we pay it, then we stay up and your argument that we can't afford it is void.

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How much of the season were Cork breaking the wage cap can I ask? Was it up until your financial problems came to light? Are ye still breaking it?

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Originally Posted by Juanace

Ok Im a UCD fan and it looks like were going down after tonights result. Im sure most of ye will be delighted to see us go.

But this Cork situation really has me p***ed off, and a few other clubs this year as well.

UCD have never reneged on paying players/staff wages. We are living within our means and we havent had to be bailed out by last minute investors and pleading to supporters (Sligo). We have not gone into receivership.

If we had done a Cork and spent mad money that we didnt have to buy better players, go into receivership, renege on wages, make drastic cuts of staff/players etc..and scrape a recovery plan before the end of the season we may have stayed up.

How fair is it that we do things correctly and Cork and others 'cheat' buy buying players they can't afford, they stay up and get bailed out and we go down?

So many clubs this year have had drastic finanical problems. If you can't run a business properly, like so many clubs have proved this year then you shouldnt be allowed in the league. It should be the FIRST priority.

Rant over.

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You're finding it hard to take it seems

Clubs with no financial problems get to play into goals that are a foot wider and six inches taller. Would that fix it? :p

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Originally Posted by jebus

How much of the season were Cork breaking the wage cap can I ask? Was it up until your financial problems came to light? Are ye still breaking it?

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Anyone know?

I'll tell you where I'm going with this anyway. I personally think that any club that has blatantly smashed the wage cap (which seems to be the case with Cork, open to correction though) should have all their points stripped from the period that they were over the 65%. So if Cork were breaking it up until two weeks ago then they lose all their points for that period.

In the case of a club like Galway, who seem to have been close to breaking, and maybe did for a week or two, I would say that a fine is sufficent punishment as a week or two of breaking it wouldn't amount to huge gains on the field.

Again I'm open to correction as to what Cork's level of punishment should be if someone knows exactly to what level they broke the wage agreement