Rory Delap

[minty]

surely we have better players than delap available to us

[srfc1928]

just watched Stoke v Everton
Delap had a steady game
but his throws into the box were unreal
Both Stoke goals came from them.
The Everton defence couldnt deal with it and
in the last 15 minutes they were afraid to give away throw ins.
Trap was quoted in the press saying
"Today the midfield is big and strong, that is international football"
Delap is both of those, hes worth a place in the squad

[Drumcondra 69er]

just watched Stoke v Everton
Delap had a steady game
but his throws into the box were unreal
Both Stoke goals came from them.
The Everton defence couldnt deal with it and
in the last 15 minutes they were afraid to give away throw ins.
Trap was quoted in the press saying
"Today the midfield is big and strong, that is international football"
Delap is both of those, hes worth a place in the squad

It's bizarre, never seen the like of it in the EPL before, he didn't used to throw it as long as that did he? Last player I can recall doing similar was that Dave Channilor lad for Tranmere under Aldo.

Everton were bricking it every time they gave a throw away and every time Stoke won one towards the end the crowd were lifted as if they had a corner. Have to say, if we were chasing a result it could be a useful weapon last 15 minutes of a game but is he worth a squad place on that alone? He is a solid player if unspectacular.

[srfc1928]

It's bizarre, never seen the like of it in the EPL before, he didn't used to throw it as long as that did he? Last player I can recall doing similar was that Dave Channilor lad for Tranmere under Aldo.

Everton were bricking it every time they gave a throw away and every time Stoke won one towards the end the crowd were lifted as if they had a corner. Have to say, if we were chasing a result it could be a useful weapon last 15 minutes of a game but is he worth a squad place on that alone? He is a solid player if unspectacular.
probably not.
But hes a decent allround player,
and as you said Drums, todays game was bizarre.
it wasnt pretty at times but it was so effectful.
take arsenals second goal at Blackburn yesterday,
it was sheer class, twenty odd passes and Adebyour scores.
complete contrast to Stokes second today.
big throw in to the box, one touch, goal.
And at the end of the day they all count the same. (excuse the cliches)
15 minutes to go and were trailing id like to have the option to bring him on,

[third policeman]

Would prefer to see Delap in the squad as left back cover rather than Delaney. He is a good all round footballer and the throw ins are unreal. We dont have that many Premiership players that we can afford to overlook Delap and Lawrence.

[sligoman]

He had some of the best long throws I've ever seen today. Everton put under pressure with each one.

[drummerboy]

Would prefer to see Delap in the squad as left back cover rather than Delaney. He is a good all round footballer and the throw ins are unreal. We dont have that many Premiership players that we can afford to overlook Delap and Lawrence.

Interesting idea. However the fact that he never played left back before may be a slight drawback.

I think he would be a useful player to have in the squad. Far more useful that Liam Miller.

[tricky_colour]

Just found this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9bBzQ3E1QM

[theworm2345]

He had some of the best long throws I've ever seen today. Everton put under pressure with each one.
His throw forced the Jagielka own goal as a matter of fact

[OwlsFan]

Didn't see the game but don't Stoke have two big tall gangling forwards. Not much use employing Delap to throw the ball in to our two forward midgets ;) Did Lawrence or Whelan play?

[shakermaker1982]

Lawrence did. Whelan was an unused substitute.

[drummerboy]

No only have Stoke got too huge strikers, both central midfielders were giants too. Lawrence hardly got a kick of the ball, very poor. Delap was more involved in general play as well as about 20 long throw-ins. These were very effective if extremely hard on the eyes.

[third policeman]

[quote=drummerboy;1021060]Interesting idea. However the fact that he never played left back before may be a slight drawback.


Think you will find that he played full back quite a lot of the time when at Derby and Southampton albeit at right back. He is used to playing full back, and used to playing on the left so it would not be such a traumatic adjustment. He has certainly much more experience playing at the back than Kilbane.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Didn't see the game but don't Stoke have two big tall gangling forwards. Not much use employing Delap to throw the ball in to our two forward midgets ;) Did Lawrence or Whelan play?

By the same logic then there's no point in putting corners across in the air, Stoke attack those throws as if it's a corner if they're chasing a game, centre halfs up the lot. I know you're being slightly tounge in cheek but the size of the forwards doesn't really matter that much in those situations....

[Colbert Report]

[quote=drummerboy;1021060]Interesting idea. However the fact that he never played left back before may be a slight drawback.


Think you will find that he played full back quite a lot of the time when at Derby and Southampton albeit at right back. He is used to playing full back, and used to playing on the left so it would not be such a traumatic adjustment. He has certainly much more experience playing at the back than Kilbane.


Kilbane played all of last season as a left-back.

[drummerboy]

Delap, I admit, did play at right full for a while in the past. However he is not a naturally left sided player and it would be too much to expect him to play there, given the small amoutn of experience he has of playing right full.

[OwlsFan]

By the same logic then there's no point in putting corners across in the air, Stoke attack those throws as if it's a corner if they're chasing a game, centre halfs up the lot. I know you're being slightly tounge in cheek but the size of the forwards doesn't really matter that much in those situations....

I am not sure that centre halves would come up for throw ins like they do for corners but the point is you do need to have physical forwards to be effective for that sort of game. If we had a Cascarino and/or a Quinn playing up front, Delap's inclusion might be worthwhile for the throw ins alone but not with Keane and Doyle as the target me.

[geysir]

Problem is, it doesn't look like football, it's desperate stuff.

[Noelys Guitar]

Problem is, it doesn't look like football, it's desperate stuff.

Thats out of order. I saw Stoke play at least two balls along the ground.

[drinkfeckarse]

It's not pretty but I suppose when clubs come up, you can't really knock them initially for playing to their strengths. They have to do what they have to do to survive.

[Drumcondra 69er]

I am not sure that centre halves would come up for throw ins like they do for corners but the point is you do need to have physical forwards to be effective for that sort of game. If we had a Cascarino and/or a Quinn playing up front, Delap's inclusion might be worthwhile for the throw ins alone but not with Keane and Doyle as the target me.

Trust me, the last 10 minutes yesterday they were throwing as many people forward for those throws as they were for corners. He's launching balls at 35 miles an hour right into the danger area. I am only talking about chasing a game late on here mind you.

[Brendan 82]

I watched the Stoke game yesterday and have to say I was delighted to see them lose. They play the most utterly horrible football I have seen in ages.

Delap is such a brutally average player. I honestly cant see what he could bring to the Irish side other than the long throw. I don't know why Pulis has him on the left wing, presumably because he is quite big and takes up a lot of space, gets in the way, etc. He offerers absolutely nothing going forward

[rambler14]

For some reason i've always been a Delap fan and on yesterday's performence i'd put him in the squad.
Those long throws would come in handy especially against the Italians and the really crap countries with the goalies who are afraid of catching the ball.

[srfc1928]

Im not a fan of Stokes tactics, but their two goals came from throw ins and goals win games. sometimes when your chasing a game does it really matter how you score so long as you do.



For some reason i've always been a Delap fan and on yesterday's performence i'd put him in the squad.
Those long throws would come in handy especially against the Italians and the really crap countries with the goalies who are afraid of catching the ball.
good point, catching the ball under pressure wouldnt be a lot of continental keepers strong point

[rambler14]

good point, catching the ball under pressure wouldnt be a lot of continental keepers strong point

Will I ring Giovanni or will you?:D

[Billy-Green]

I'd say he mite come in handy to have in the squad at the end of the camgaign, after watching his impact against everton
Picture this; last game of the qualifiers at home to Montenegro, scores at 1-1, but we need 3 points to qualify. Delap comes on and with his long throw's we end up getting the winner to put us through. :confused:

[cavan_fan]

[quote=drummerboy;1021060]Interesting idea. However the fact that he never played left back before may be a slight drawback.


Think you will find that he played full back quite a lot of the time when at Derby and Southampton albeit at right back. He is used to playing full back, and used to playing on the left so it would not be such a traumatic adjustment. He has certainly much more experience playing at the back than Kilbane.

I seem to remember at Derby (?) he played in every outfield position. He's the poor man's John O'Shea. Actually John O'Shea is the poor man's John O'Shea but you know what I mean!

[gustavo]

good point, catching the ball under pressure wouldnt be a lot of continental keepers strong point

Those crazy foreigners!

Might as well bring in Anto Murphy if we want someone who can throw the ball a loooooooonggg distance

[OwlsFan]

good point, catching the ball under pressure wouldnt be a lot of continental keepers strong point

Reminds me when I used read Roy of the Rovers in Tiger/Hurricane. Real xenophobic stuff with the nasty foreign keepers unable to come out for crosses and Blackie Gray and Roy Race putting one over on these damned non-Brits :D

[tricky_colour]

Such long throws give a team a great advantage it make a set piece of of virtually every throw-in in the oppositions half.

[Qwerty]

I'd certainly have him on the bench ahead of Miller.

[theworm2345]

Another goal from a Delap throw in today

[elroy]

For Delap's throws to be effective (yesterday was a perfect example) you need someone at the near post who is a good header of the ball and who can help it on into the six yard box on even better, the team we have at present doesnt really have any notable headers of the ball. O'Shea, Kilbane or Dunne (i think our tallest players) wouldnt exactly be great target men.

[Lamper.sffc]

For Delap's throws to be effective (yesterday was a perfect example) you need someone at the near post who is a good header of the ball and who can help it on into the six yard box on even better, the team we have at present doesnt really have any notable headers of the ball. O'Shea, Kilbane or Dunne (i think our tallest players) wouldnt exactly be great target men.

Doyle can head the ball well. While not the tallest(not small either), he does have a good spring and a fair share of his goals come from the head. As for the players you mentioned. They are all good in the air and quite capable of helping a ball into the six yard box. Not that they need to help it into the 6 yard area as most of delaps throws get there without the help of a head.

[shakermaker1982]

Delap would be a useful player to bring off the bench (aerial bombardment with 15 minutes to go if chasing a game). I hope the Trap doesn't partner Miller with Whelan - Cyprus could give us the the run round if that is our central midfield pairing.

[richieos]

Just watched stoke vs tottenham, and delap was awesome! i never realised what a fit and athletic player he is! he even reminded me of steven reid. he scored the winning goal for stoke and also hit the crossbar, and i think he'd be more than capable of playing the midfield holding role, also his throw ins could create goals for us. i hope trap was watching!

[SwanVsDalton]

Always poor enough in an Ireland shirt but he never really got a fair shake of it. He's certainly in with a shout at centre mid, along with about 12 others. Those throw-in's of his are absolutely lethal as well.

[theworm2345]

Obviously Pulis rates him above Whelan and I've no doubt hes better than Gibson, hopefully he'll be in there against Poland

[OwlsFan]

Thread on Delap here:

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=99483

[Rambling Along]

Give Delap a chance!

[tricky_colour]

Delap downbeat over Ireland return



http://www.setantasports.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/10/17/InterPrem-Delap-downbeat-over-Ireland/?facets/sport-space/football/great-britain-locale/

He was also the top rated player for stoke on Sky Sports.

Also found this

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/1.248314

[tommy_c12000]

Giving him a chance would be a step backwards. He has never impressed in an Irish jersey and unfortunately its too late now for him. Gud game 2day tho

[Stuttgart88]

. He has never impressed in an Irish jersey He has never played in position for Ireland either.

Delap put in a very accomplished performance from what I saw yesterday (60 minutes onwards) in a left midfield role. He always had to cut in on his right and frequently gave a clever reverse pass to an overlapping player on the outside. He attacked the 6 yard box well for his goal and hit the bar fom a rebound off the post when Stoke missed a penalty. He should have scored but it was by no means a Kevin Kilbane follow up!

If Trap is looking for an athletic presence in CM then Delap has it. No frills but I don't think Trap is looking for any. Worth a look at least. His versatility is useful in a squad perpective too. He can play across the midfield, has played both full back roles and in my opinion he has to look of a decent makeshift CB.

[gustavo]

Giving him a chance would be a step backwards. He has never impressed in an Irish jersey and unfortunately its too late now for him. Gud game 2day tho
I'm not saying he should be in the squad but I certainly wouldn't rule him out on the basis of some performances for us a decade ago

[Irish_Praha]

I'm not saying he should be in the squad but I certainly wouldn't rule him out on the basis of some performances for us a decade ago

Would agree wíth that view. At one stage he seemed to get injured every time he was named in the squad. He didn't get much of a chance after that and then better alternatives like Kinsella and Holland came along. He might suite Traps system and at least he is getting regular football unlike Whelan. He could be used as a stop gap when we wait for the younger fellas to develop.

The way I look at it is if we are looking for a defensively solid CMF we can choose 2 from Whelan, Garvan, Delap, Carsley, McCann, O'Toole, Gibson and even O'Shea or Miller. All these players have their limitations and no two are heads and shoulders abover the rest. It's just up to Trap to pick two he feels can play well together and that are on form. Apart from playing two of the U-21 guys or Miller I wouldn't have any complaints about who he chooses.

[Lamper.sffc]

Just to add another option. Obrien at Bolton. Has played most of the games in midfield for bolton this season.

[musicinmouth]

also james mccarthy who he said he would call up for the poland tie (although i'm not sure that he will)

[theworm2345]

Another goal from a Delap throw yesterday :)

[tricky_colour]

Another goal from a Delap throw yesterday :)

Captured here:-
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=rUO5jBOcVTc

[theworm2345]

Guesss who did it AGAIN, and AGAIN with Ricardo Fuller