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higgins
21/08/2008, 6:31 PM
So the FAI have the power to do nothing or to throw them out fo the league ?
I hate the rules in this league, really are a mess. The FAI are never consistant. Examinership is a process and should carry a fixed punishment.
I guess you have to pray that you don't break the rules during the close season like Shels!
Be interesting to see what the FAI do here. Maybe they will delay the call so long that it will be the close season. They don't have the balls to make decisions so I'm not expecting anything in a hurry.
I seem to remember five years ago the FAI told Drogheda they had 24 hours to pay the creditors all they were owed or we were out of the league. We also had to lodge €100k with the FAI in case of future liabilities.
I would be surprised if the FAI could have kicked you out of the league considering they did not run it 5 years ago.
If Cork have been breaking the salary cap for the entire season should they not be deducted all their points, and any subsequent points, until they are under 65%. Same for all the other clubs that have gone through it, whatever period they were over the 65% they lose the points they won for said period
According to the licensing (http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=46)
"The FAI Club Licensing Committee has the power to withdraw any licence or apply any sanction during a season if the Licensee:
o no longer satisfies any single criteria for issuing the licence;
o violates any of its obligations, duties, confirmations or undertakings under thisManual, Contract or Confidentiality Agreement
o Is involved in a bankruptcy, receivership, examinership or liquidation process, or is struck off the Companies' Register"
Looking at that they could be done under the first two bullet points too?
Trainee
22/08/2008, 10:08 AM
With 65% FAI cant deduct points durning the season for breaches as if they deduct points now from a club for being over 65%, what happens if club are still over 65% in 2 monts time will the deduct points of the club again, so this will be done at of season.
The 65% rule will work its year 1 so clubs were allowed submit their own budget at start of season, but from next season clubs will not be allowed to do this, they will have to use actual income 08 for budget 09 unless they can prove to FAI the will have extra income (ie seanta cup for frist time etc)
Im sure FAI will be mointoring the cork situation,and they will get punished under FAI rules.
I heard Cork gave the FAI a promise that they will be able operate till end of season and they have plans to operate on a reduced budget for next season onwards
jebus
22/08/2008, 10:33 AM
But by not punishing sides who have broken the wage cap are you not punishing sides you have worked within it's limits. Take this for an example (although I hear Galway didn't break it, only came close, but bear with me)
If Galway had operated the season in breach of the salary agreement, and gained a total of 40 points in this period, while UCD operated at 60% of their total budget but only gained a total of 38 points and were then relegated, would that not be unfair on UCD for having their house in order in the very first season of the wage cap?
Schumi
22/08/2008, 10:38 AM
In that situation, the FAI would surely deduct points from/relegate Galway at the end of the season for breaking the wage cap and UCD would stay up. I don't see a problem with this. My understanding is that the wage cap operates for the season as a whole. It would seem a bit harsh to punish clubs if they run over 65% in one month while being compliant for the year overall.
Trainee
22/08/2008, 11:25 AM
But by not punishing sides who have broken the wage cap are you not punishing sides you have worked within it's limits. Take this for an example (although I hear Galway didn't break it, only came close, but bear with me)
If Galway had operated the season in breach of the salary agreement, and gained a total of 40 points in this period, while UCD operated at 60% of their total budget but only gained a total of 38 points and were then relegated, would that not be unfair on UCD for having their house in order in the very first season of the wage cap?
From what I herard some clubs have broken it (dont know names of clubs),FAI have informed clubs that if they dont get back under 65% rule by end of season they will l be relegated automaticaly for knowing breaking the rule, but they still face loosing any Prize money from the league and a points deduction for braking the rule in first place
jebus
22/08/2008, 11:35 AM
From what I herard some clubs have broken it (dont know names of clubs),FAI have informed clubs that if they dont get back under 65% rule by end of season they will l be relegated automaticaly for knowing breaking the rule, but they still face loosing any Prize money from the league and a points deduction for braking the rule in first place
That seems fair if the FAI go that course alright, I just have a worry that the FAI will wash their hands of the whole situation and not hand out any punishments, which would send out the wrong message entirely in my opinion
Trainee
22/08/2008, 11:42 AM
That seems fair if the FAI go that course alright, I just have a worry that the FAI will wash their hands of the whole situation and not hand out any punishments, which would send out the wrong message entirely in my opinion
They have to enforce it, If they dont 65% rule will not work and its a waste of time, some clubs will ingnore it and overspend and could go out of business, and the league will still be in a mess in 5 years
paul_oshea
22/08/2008, 12:24 PM
how much did mooney go for?
holidaysong
22/08/2008, 12:57 PM
It was reported to be around €250,000.
jinxy lilywhite
22/08/2008, 1:20 PM
They have to enforce it, If they dont 65% rule will not work and its a waste of time, some clubs will ingnore it and overspend and could go out of business, and the league will still be in a mess in 5 years
To go even further I think the 65% is too much for some clubs. I think we should have scaled structures that for clubs with the most debts would have a e.g 50% for clubs with high debts.
Clubs need to start to learn to stand on their own two feet and not expect goodwill of people to bail them out. Irish football is awash with clubs needing/begging money to get by on a daily basis where economic sense says that you spend what you take in and set a little aside for a rainy day.
I would like to see the 65% even to include the admin expenses also
Maybe they can rebrand the competition as the FAI Accountants League. :rolleyes:
The FAI can't kick out the biggest team in the league
The FAI can't kick out the biggest team in the league
Dont be so ridiculous of course they can.
I think the rules should be more clear though i.e. specified punishment for things like this be that points deduction/relegation or other.
At least that way we know whats coming
Maybe they can rebrand the competition as the FAI Accountants League. :rolleyes:
The FAI can't kick out the biggest team in the league
Why not? Cork have broken the rules and the FAI should come down on them, simple as that really, if it involves relegating the team then so be it, it will serve as a warning to Cork and every other club that they can't break rules set up to help them in the first place.
I agree with micls though, after this incident the FAI should set out clear punishments in their rulebook for this type of incident
jinxy lilywhite
22/08/2008, 2:03 PM
Maybe they can rebrand the competition as the FAI Accountants League. :rolleyes:
The FAI can't kick out the biggest team in the league
This season is being called the Cork City humiliates the country again league!!!
Yeah go on laugh.
Everyone else is laughing at Irish soccer. How poorly equipped it is? How no one in control of the top clubs has the balls to say to supporters to have realistic expectations. Give more of the begruders of the league more ammunition to knock us down with. CCFC talk about maybe making group stages of UEFA cup and you can't even beat a finnish side.
CCFC have got themselves into this mess which takes away all the good things that some other clubs are doing.
Will Cork be the biggest club in the league if you go in to receivership?
BTW what is cork going to rebrand itself as next? There's been Alberts, Celtic, Hibs, (soon to be defunct) City, Athletic, Fordsons. Will it be Cork Ramblers, Langers, bankrupts
Biggest team my hole.
sullanefc
22/08/2008, 2:13 PM
If City go down, you will could have a first division of:
Cork City
Galway Utd
Waterford Utd
Limerick 37
Cobh Ramblers
Shelbourne
That would be class. A lot of Munster teams. Galway - another great away trip. And old rivals Shelbourne.
The Premier would be full of Dublin clubs and its crappy suburbs like drogheda, dundalk and Bray.
First division could be where its at next year. :D
If City go down, you will could have a first division of:
Cork City
Galway Utd
Waterford Utd
Limerick 37
Cobh Ramblers
Shelbourne
That would be class. A lot of Munster teams. Galway - another great away trip. And old rivals Shelbourne.
The Premier would be full of Dublin clubs and its crappy suburbs like drogheda, dundalk and Bray.
First division could be where its at next year. :D
Always look on the brightside.......
holidaysong
22/08/2008, 2:19 PM
The Premier would be full of Dublin clubs and its crappy suburbs like drogheda, dundalk and Bray.
You need to look at a map of Ireland. :rolleyes:
placid casual
22/08/2008, 2:20 PM
this may have been asked before but i really cannot be arsed goin through 100 posts to get the answer.
have city fans organised some sort of takeover?is there one in the pipeline?
do you give a $hite if your team goes belly up.
There is a sequence line of clubs with pi$$ poor budgets that goes
Dublin city-shels-Rovers-longford-waterford-cork-pats-drogs-bohs.
Obviously the last three are still to happen, but happen they will.
Stop trusting property devolopers!! they want your PROPERTY!! Not your club!!
Stop trusting property devolopers!! they want your PROPERTY!! Not your club!!
Not really relevent to Cork though is it? A) they're not a propert company b) Cork don't own any property
jinxy lilywhite
22/08/2008, 2:21 PM
Dublin clubs and its crappy suburbs like drogheda, dundalk and Bray.
I know what you mean about Drogheda and Bray but when did we become a suburb of Dubland.
holidaysong
22/08/2008, 2:22 PM
Stop trusting property devolopers!! they want your PROPERTY!! Not your club!!
Cork City don't have any property though. The Munster FA own Turner's Cross.
sullanefc
22/08/2008, 2:23 PM
You need to look a map of Ireland. :rolleyes:
Hook line and sinker. Sometimes its too easy. :D
I know what you mean about Drogheda and Bray but when did we become a suburb of Dubland.
Since the trains were all packed between Dundalk to Dublin every weekday rush hour?
holidaysong
22/08/2008, 2:24 PM
Hook line and sinker. Sometimes its too easy. :D
Maybe you should have used Newry, it is after all the closest city to Dundalk... ;)
sullanefc
22/08/2008, 2:26 PM
Always look on the brightside.......
Absolutely. And if you can't have a laugh............
have city fans organised some sort of takeover?is there one in the pipeline?
there is a supporters trust being organised. It was already in the pipeline but in the process of being sped up.
do you give a $hite if your team goes belly up.
Nah not really.
Stop trusting property devolopers!! they want your PROPERTY!! Not your club!!
Ours arent the brightest then eh?
placid casual
22/08/2008, 3:37 PM
arkaga had interest in securing property in the cork area and were using city as a way in.
they have now decided,in their infinite wisdom to get the foook outta dodge as there's no money to be made .cue city going knockers up.
drogs ,pats & bohs are about to be hairy aped by "devolopers" who have no wish to "devolop" anything other than a property portfolio.
this forum is not the most well informed,particulary on this matter.
guess thats why only the rag journalists use it as a source.
enjoy your weekend folks.
charliesboots
25/08/2008, 2:55 PM
http://breakingnews.ie/sport/mhqleyididid/
Danny drew!! This just gets better and better.
holidaysong
25/08/2008, 3:31 PM
http://breakingnews.ie/sport/mhqleyididid/
Danny drew!! This just gets better and better.
:eek::D
There's no way the FAI will let him back after inventing Limerick 37 just to get rid of him!
A face
25/08/2008, 3:48 PM
:eek::D
There's no way the FAI will let him back after inventing Limerick 37 just to get rid of him!
Yeah, so it a non runner. They will not give him a license so its hardly worth his while expressing interest.
Next ....
They'll be more lenient in this term as there's no way they'll wnt to lose Cork
However he's laughable offer to pay off 30 cent in the euro debt is a total non runner (or at least you'd like to think Cork could get a better offer). Remember that currently, Cork have absolutely no say in who buys them, as its the examiner's job...
charliesboots
25/08/2008, 4:04 PM
Remember that currently, Cork have absolutely no say in who buys them, as its the examiner's job...
Exactly, same goes for the FAI, there's plenty of mechanisms open to him if they refused Cork a license because Delaney doesn't like Drew.
rambler14
25/08/2008, 11:41 PM
http://breakingnews.ie/sport/mhqleyididid/
Danny drew!! This just gets better and better.
A gangster of the highest order!
Hire Roddy Collins and you've got the most egotistical chairman/manager combination..............ever!:D
DmanDmythDledge
26/08/2008, 2:45 PM
Farelly's wages have been stopped.
http://sports.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/08/26/eLOI-Farrelly-on-wages-halt/?facets/sport-space/football/great-britain-locale/eircom-League-Premier-Division/
Bit much considering the club have given him a programme to work on- not like he's injured and doing nothing.
Proibably because he's a dub...
A face
26/08/2008, 2:59 PM
Proibably because he's a dub...
Who? the examiner or Farrelly?
Longfordian
26/08/2008, 3:20 PM
The examiner did the same thing with Liam Kelly when he was at Rovers if I remember rightly.
Hibs4Ever
26/08/2008, 3:25 PM
Farelly's wages have been stopped.
http://sports.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/08/26/eLOI-Farrelly-on-wages-halt/?facets/sport-space/football/great-britain-locale/eircom-League-Premier-Division/
Bit much considering the club have given him a programme to work on- not like he's injured and doing nothing.
So Corks players can refuse to play? In case they get injured and get same treatment as Farrelly?
Farelly's wages have been stopped.
http://sports.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/08/26/eLOI-Farrelly-on-wages-halt/?facets/sport-space/football/great-britain-locale/eircom-League-Premier-Division/
Bit much considering the club have given him a programme to work on- not like he's injured and doing nothing.
He has been out injured the is season due to tumour. He is now back in the UK recovering with schedule prepared by the club.
I thought at first this might be related to change over from club wages to long term disability payments but Farrelly is quoted in the local paper saying he is disappointed as he expected to be back before the end of the season.
charliesboots
26/08/2008, 4:00 PM
He has been out injured the is season due to brain tumour. He is now back in the UK recovering with schedule prepared by the club.
I thought at first this might be related to change over from club wages to long term disability payments but Farrelly is quoted in the local paper saying he is disappointed as he expected to be back before the end of the season.
First I heard of a brain tumour, thought it was a tomour on his pancreas.
Best wishes to him regardless.
First I heard of a brain tumour, thought it was a tomour on his pancreas.
I think you are correct. I can't remember.
Joe McSweeney
26/08/2008, 4:31 PM
I think you are correct. I can't remember.
He is correct. It's disappointing to see and hopefully someone will give Gareth a chance somewhere else-this won't be the last type of thing you'll see happening down here I reckon. There could be a few others allowed leave or shoved out the door too....there's a lot of players who's contracts are up at the end of the season also.
there's a lot of players who's contracts are up at the end of the season also.
Not one of them will be offered a deal by the examiner. Makes the recent igning of Dudfield even more astonishing
Oh and best wishes to Farrelly
higgins
27/08/2008, 12:05 AM
Your licence can be taken away from you if player wages are not kept up. That contract sitting in the FAI office signed by Cork and Farrelly is going to be looked at when the PFAI take up his case.
Shels were given a pay the players or else no licence by such a date.
Not sure what the examiner is playing at here?
Maybe there is something in his contract allowing this non payment.
I'd imagine one of the first moves the examiner would make is to review ALL contracts and to cut employees that are no longer needed/entitled to be paid.
Joe McSweeney
27/08/2008, 8:40 AM
Not one of them will be offered a deal by the examiner. Makes the recent signing of Dudfield even more astonishing
Oh and best wishes to Farrelly
Yes-I expect all of them to be leaving at the end of the year.
The guys running the club don't know what they are doing. I think it's pretty clear at this stage. What's stranger is that we had three/four people on trial who Mathews was waiting on clearance to sign when this financial trouble was first announced-and that we offered Joe Gamble a three year deal to make him, rumoured of course, the highest paid player at the club.
Insane way of running a football club.
Either way-someone should sign Gareth when (I'm being hopeful!) he gets fit again, superb player.
Ahem....heard a suggestion that the Farrelly story might not be totally accurate
micls
27/08/2008, 11:08 PM
Farelly's wages have been stopped.
http://sports.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/08/26/eLOI-Farrelly-on-wages-halt/?facets/sport-space/football/great-britain-locale/eircom-League-Premier-Division/
Bit much considering the club have given him a programme to work on- not like he's injured and doing nothing.
Ahem....heard a suggestion that the Farrelly story might not be totally accurate
Farrelly has been paid to date 100%
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