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brianw82
11/08/2008, 11:51 AM
There doesn't seem to be the option of starting a poll, so this'll have to be done the old fashioned way.

Brian Murphy
Owen Heary
Keith Fahey
Mark Quigley
Dave Mooney
Joe Gamble
Brian Shelley
Gavin Peers

Tried to think of the 2 best Irish players from each team. This is just MY opinion, so please, no replies with "I can't believe you left out X, he's much better than Y!"

I can't think of 2 good RoI-qualified players playing for Derry, so they are excluded. I put one each from Drogheda and Sligo in there, as I don't think those teams are deserving of any more.

My own vote would go to Keith Fahey. He's just an outstanding player, and at the very least deserves to be called up to a 40-man training squad rather than some guy in Blackburn's reserves, for instance. If not Fahey, then it would be Brian Murphy. The guy is the equivalent of building a brick wall in front of the goals.

charliesboots
11/08/2008, 11:57 AM
I'd go for Fahey but obviously I see him more often than the others.

Agree about the 40 man training thing but if everybody is fit no LOI player is good enough for the a 22 man squad for a competitive game.

harry crumb
11/08/2008, 11:58 AM
Keith Fahey & Brian Murphy

passinginterest
11/08/2008, 12:04 PM
Probably Brian Murphy, outstanding all last season and again this year. Bohs defensive record owes an awful lot to him.

Fahey is a bit too inconsistent, although I'd love to see him tried at that level. Owen Heary is too old to warrant a call up, but a very good player.

Mooney and Quigley I'd rate about the same, Quigley has the raw skill, Mooney is a fantastic finisher, sadly they probably both need to play at least at Championship level to be considered.

SunderlandBohs
11/08/2008, 12:08 PM
Brian Murphy for me as the National team are short on goalkeepers. Apart from Given & Kiely we've no decent back up. He's hell of a lot better than Supple & Randolp.

holidaysong
11/08/2008, 12:10 PM
I think we need a centre back more than anything so I'd probably go with Graham Gartland.

SunderlandBohs
11/08/2008, 12:16 PM
I think we need a centre back more than anything so I'd probably go with Graham Gartland.
:eek: And you call yourself a Dundalk fan!!!! I agree. Couldn't be any worse than the likes of McShane.

Duggie
11/08/2008, 12:37 PM
only really keith fahey out of that list, but look at all the players that would be in front of him. we have a lot of midfielders. see the article in the paper sat that derby were looking to take him. lost at the weekend, reckon he'd prob be better off staying where he is.

superfrank
11/08/2008, 12:37 PM
Murphy, Mooney, Quigley or Fahey.

I can't decide.

finnpark
11/08/2008, 1:00 PM
Brian Murphy is probably the best keeper after Given and Given is getting old too. There is only so long he can be ignored for. Kiely must be nearly 40 now.

finnpark
11/08/2008, 1:01 PM
Brian Murphy for me as the National team are short on goalkeepers. Apart from Given & Kiely we've no decent back up. He's hell of a lot better than Supple & Randolp.

100% true

WoodquayBoy
11/08/2008, 1:04 PM
Of the list you have, would have to plump for Gartland - as Holidaysong said, we need a centre back

deecay
11/08/2008, 1:14 PM
Of the list you have, would have to plump for Gartland - as Holidaysong said, we need a centre back
Gartland is terrible though,Gavin Peers is te best Irish centre half in the league

superfrank
11/08/2008, 1:16 PM
Gartland is terrible though,Gavin Peers is te best Irish centre half in the league
I might believe it when a non-Sligo fan says it.

deecay
11/08/2008, 1:18 PM
I might believe it when a non-Sligo fan says it.
Dont really care what you believe but Peers is the best

disabledrog
11/08/2008, 1:22 PM
Gartland is terrible though,Gavin Peers is te best Irish centre half in the leagueGartland terrible jesus man ask any loi supporter who actually watches the games and 99.99% will tell you garto in top notch,it says alot when a dundalk fan agrees

Duggie
11/08/2008, 1:27 PM
gartland seems prone to mistakes

Dodge
11/08/2008, 1:31 PM
gartland seems prone to mistakes

All LOI players are, thats why they're at the level they are.

sligofan4ever
11/08/2008, 1:32 PM
Keith Fahey or Gavin Peers for me. Peers IMO is the best centre back in the league and Keith Fahey has been probably St.Pats best player this season and is a top class midfielder. And maybe in a couple of years Seamie Coleman if he keeps improving.

finnpark
11/08/2008, 2:18 PM
What the heck, lets put the whole Sligo team out to Georgia :rolleyes:

superfrank
11/08/2008, 2:23 PM
Peers IMO is the best centre back in the league.

Dont really care what you believe but Peers is the best
This is the thing, the only posters here who ever mention Gavin Peers are Sligo fans. Three people have named him in this thread, all Sligo fans.

He may be good (I wouldn't think he's anywhere near the best in the league on what I've seen of him in three games this season) but just because his own fans think he's the best, doesn't mean he is actually up there.

And saying "Don't care what you believe" doesn't help your argument.

Once other club fans start mentioning him, you'll have a case for him.

gustavo
11/08/2008, 2:24 PM
What the heck, lets put the whole Sligo team out to Georgia :rolleyes:
Only two Rovers players have been suggested on this thread :rolleyes:

WoodquayBoy
11/08/2008, 2:29 PM
Gartland is terrible though,Gavin Peers is te best Irish centre half in the league
I've seen both. Peers is good, but to suggest he is the best centrre half in the league is ridiculous. Gartland is better for one, as is Jason Gavin, Dan Murray, Ken Oman and Jamie Harris, to name just a few more, IMHO.

Dodge
11/08/2008, 2:37 PM
Peers wouldn't get a game for Pats or Drogheda. he might sneak in at Bohs or Cork or Rovers.

SkStu
11/08/2008, 2:44 PM
he might sneak in at Bohs.

the team with far and away the best defensive record in the league over the past two seasons? I think not Mr. Dodge. Youse can have him.

deecay
11/08/2008, 2:44 PM
I've seen both. Peers is good, but to suggest he is the best centrre half in the league is ridiculous. Gartland is better for one, as is Jason Gavin, Dan Murray, Ken Oman and Jamie Harris, to name just a few more, IMHO.
Im not going to take this post seriously,Harris is Welsh,Murray is English,Jason Gavin wouldnt get into our back four and I dont rate Ken Oman.

Jason McGuinness,Aidan Price and Darragh Maguire are all beter Irish centre halfs

Bluebeard
11/08/2008, 2:48 PM
What the heck, lets put the whole Sligo team out to Georgia :rolleyes:

Never mind that, seeing as Dundalk lead the First ahead of us, I suggest we send their whole side to Georgia.

What do you mean, International game?

superfrank
11/08/2008, 2:49 PM
Im not going to take this post seriously,Harris is Welsh,Murray is English,Jason Gavin wouldnt get into our back four and I dont rate Ken Oman.
Me too.

gustavo
11/08/2008, 2:52 PM
the team with far and away the best defensive record in the league over the past two seasons? I think not Mr. Dodge. Youse can have him.

When they were both at Rovers there wasn't much of a difference between Peers and Liam Burns who has been pretty much ever present in your defence for the last two seasons

razor
11/08/2008, 3:01 PM
There doesn't seem to be the option of starting a poll, so this'll have to be done the old fashioned way.

Brian Murphy
Owen Heary
Keith Fahey
Mark Quigley
Dave Mooney
Joe Gamble
Brian Shelley
Gavin Peers

Tried to think of the 2 best Irish players from each team.
My own vote would go to Keith Fahey.Would have to agree on Fahey but who is Gavin Peers?

deecay
11/08/2008, 3:02 PM
Me too.
Mauro Almedia and Gavin Peers,I wouldnt ask for anything more

WoodquayBoy
11/08/2008, 3:06 PM
Im not going to take this post seriously,Harris is Welsh,Murray is English,Jason Gavin wouldnt get into our back four and I dont rate Ken Oman.

Jason McGuinness,Aidan Price and Darragh Maguire are all beter Irish centre halfs

Your argumenty veered from Irish qualified centre backs to who is the best centre back in the league, which is why I offered the above-mentioned names.

Bunny Kelly
11/08/2008, 3:37 PM
Graham Gartland is easily the most over-rated player in the league, the amount of mistakes he makes for a supposed top defender is unforgiveable & now without Gavin beside him his flaws will get exposed more & more.


I also agree with Sligo fans that Peers is probably the most underrated defender in the league, he does get enough respect because he does not play for a 'fashionable club', Sligo are midtable & easy to forget but given the amount of players they have to work with their performances are famtastic.

deecay
11/08/2008, 3:48 PM
Your argumenty veered from Irish qualified centre backs to who is the best centre back in the league, which is why I offered the above-mentioned names.
I said he's the best,didnt say in the league


Graham Gartland is easily the most over-rated player in the league, the amount of mistakes he makes for a supposed top defender is unforgiveable & now without Gavin beside him his flaws will get exposed more & more.


I also agree with Sligo fans that Peers is probably the most underrated defender in the league, he does get enough respect because he does not play for a 'fashionable club', Sligo are midtable & easy to forget but given the amount of players they have to work with their performances are famtastic.
Two very good points

OneRedArmy
11/08/2008, 4:00 PM
Im not going to take this post seriously,Harris is Welsh,Murray is English,Jason Gavin wouldnt get into our back four and I dont rate Ken Oman.likewise most non-Sligo fans appear not to rate Peers.

If he and Coleman are that good they'd want to be moving to a bigger club soon.

brianw82
12/08/2008, 10:11 AM
I included Peers because I had already included 2 each from Bohs, Pats and Cork, and (in MY opinion) Drogheda's best player, Brian Shelley. You'll notice that even though I'm a Sligo fan, I didn't actually include Peers as my pick for a call up.
In fact, if all 8 of the players I mentioned were to be called up, Peers would be my 7th or 8th choice.

chipsahoy
12/08/2008, 11:51 AM
peers is good but not that good rovers fans. but in fairness gartland isnt the best centre half in the league and isnt up to the technical standard of intl football atm. i reckon jay gavin is a much better player. though in saying that gartland has a mentality that could allow him to perform at international level whereas you'd wonder about the likes of fahey in centre midfeield. though id stick mooney in the national squad over any LOI player

Drogman.
12/08/2008, 11:57 AM
What the heck, lets put the whole Sligo team out to Georgia :rolleyes:

And let the Russians sort them out ;)

Gartland is very good, better than Peers imo, however I don't know if he's up to International standard.

As was said, he has the power and tackling ability to dominate that area but his passing can be desperate at the best of times.

He's already played at B level, and did well, so maybe there's an opening there for him.

chipsahoy
12/08/2008, 12:01 PM
And let the Russians sort them out ;)

Gartland is very good, better than Peers imo, however I don't know if he's up to International standard.

As was said, he has the power and tackling ability to dominate that area but his passing can be desperate at the best of times.

He's already played at B level, and did well, so maybe there's an opening there for him.

every gartland tackle has the potential to be a cynical foul. ive never seen anyone tackle like he does, he just jumps in two feet for the ball alot of the time

Rovers fan
12/08/2008, 1:49 PM
When they were both at Rovers there wasn't much of a difference between Peers and Liam Burns who has been pretty much ever present in your defence for the last two seasons

And since then peers has improved loads while burns,at his age can hardly be doing the same.

Peers is definitely underated.He's the type of player who you can only appreciate when you watch him week in week out. We fall to pieces when he's not there. He's not far off the likes of garto,gavin et al.

soccerc
12/08/2008, 2:31 PM
every gartland tackle has the potential to be a cynical foul. ive never seen anyone tackle like he does, he just jumps in two feet for the ball alot of the time

Here's an example (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/2751203680_625d447ee5.jpg) :D

diamond
12/08/2008, 3:57 PM
the problem with football worldwide now is that there are too few men left. garto is a man playing a man's game like a man.
he is the epitimy of courage and determination to win. he may not be a great passer of the ball but he has a real Thou Shall Not Pass attitude that drogs fans love and that Ireland fans would love if he ever got the call.
just coz he made a high profile error in the Cl game doesnt mean he is prone to them. he also made damn sure he made up for it with 2 goals in Europe.

He's big, he's hard
he'll take a yellow card
Graham Gartland, Graham Gartland

Only a matter of time before we see him instead of muppets like Nancy O Brien, Doherty, Bruce and others who player at a lower level and have no european experience and no medals

since when are robust tackles out of order .....do you not remember keane on overmars????

DmanDmythDledge
12/08/2008, 4:19 PM
Brian Murphy is the only EL player near a call up to a 23 man squad. The rest simply aren't at the required standard at the moment and won't be unless the standard of coaching in the country improves.

deecay
12/08/2008, 4:31 PM
Does anyone have a list o the two u23 squads?

Dodge
12/08/2008, 4:32 PM
Brian Murphy is the only EL player near a call up to a 23 man squad. The rest simply aren't at the required standard at the moment and won't be unless the standard of coaching in the country improves.

The standard of coaching in the league isn't the problem. Its far more deep rooted than that. I agree no one is sufficient standard though

Dodge
12/08/2008, 4:33 PM
the problem with football worldwide now is that there are too few men left. garto is a man playing a man's game like a man.


Real men don't do sundbeds.

deecay
12/08/2008, 4:35 PM
Alex Bruce,John O’Shea and Liam Miller are in the squad for the Norway game,there is LOI players beter than these three

ramsfan
12/08/2008, 6:53 PM
Alex Bruce,John O’Shea and Liam Miller are in the squad for the Norway game,there is LOI players beter than these three

keith fahey is defo best player in league and should be in ahead of miller who is a stale player and a shadow of the player he promised to be

chipsahoy
12/08/2008, 7:06 PM
Alex Bruce,John O’Shea and Liam Miller are in the squad for the Norway game,there is LOI players beter than these three



stay off the drugs son. there is not one player in LOI better than alex bruce or liam miller. and as for john o'shea?!?!?! come off it, he's underrated by morons who follow the irish football team. he'd walk into any team outside the top 4 in the premiership.

TonyD
12/08/2008, 8:42 PM
and (in MY opinion) Drogheda's best player, Brian Shelley.

I agree with that actually, well certainly their best defender. I'd rate Shelly very highly.