Ireland to play at Parkhead?

[Duncan Gardner]

Okay, for starters I'm an ex-member of Fine Gael and a quick search of my wallet reveals the ten-bob note I borrowed from Davros at his political education class in the pub last week. Also the phone number of a publisher called Celia. Wonder if she's free for lunch...Brian who?

Actually, Brian and Bertie may not be making the steady progress- ie, towards reopening of Stormont- that they claim. With BA now more unpopular than ever and St Gerard leading the polls in the south, like you I'll be watching events with interest ;)

PS Davros has asked me to correct that in fact he left the country at the age of three, not two.

[Junior]

Originally posted by liamon
You live in London and you rant about nationalsit aspirations. Have you joined the National Front then?;)

And having been to Parkhead, I can say it's a Scottish club. Very proud to be scottish. Incredibly proud of the fact that it's European Cup winning team were all Scottish and all from within 15 (?) miles of the club. Strong links to local (Scottish) community.

The fact that a few thousand sectarian idiots support them, doesn't make them Irish.

In summary....Scottish, not Irish.

I don't want to continue the whole debate of Scottis or Irish? as Ive read this a million different times on various Celtic and Irish forums. However, the 'pro scopttish club' posts on this discussion do fail to even acknowledge that the club was founded by an Irishman FOR the Irish people, call them a Scottish club if you choose to, but I think the very roots of this great club should not be ignored nor treated with such disdain.

Jnr

[Duncan Gardner]

Junior- I'm quite content to acknowledge Celtic's roots. They are, and probably always will be, a Scottish club with large Irish support because of these. I don't see anyone denying that on here, certainly not the post you referred. Most Irish Celtic fans recognise that it's a foreign club, like Liverpool or ManU- albeit with particularly close links to the 'mother' country, if you like. Will that do as a compromise?

:)

[lopez]

Originally posted by nlgbbbblth
...when they played St Pats in 1998 in Tolka - and getting called a hun/orange ******* by IRISH Celtic fans for supporting St Patrick's Athletic - who are an IRISH team, with 9 Irishmen in their starting eleven.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. A few of Celtic's supporters are just completely fukcd up. To them you (and Bohemians) are orange *******os because one of you're founders was probably CoI. By there logic all of us are Orange *******os cos we've had two Prod presidents.:rolleyes:

I heard a story of one Celt on the train back from Stuttgart to Munich (probably the two biggest Catholic cities in Germany) shout as a bloke wearing an Bayern Munich shirt walk past, 'I smell a Prod.' Very PC!


Originally posted by davros

Also met some of their fans,who were supportive of our nationalistic aspirations,as I am of theirs;so not all bad,then!

Yeah, like how many Jox have been found guilty (or not guilty) of murdering our northern brothers, while serving 'Queen and Country'. Nationalist aspirations mi culo.


Originally posted by junior

the 'pro scopttish club' posts on this discussion do fail to even acknowledge that the club was founded by an Irishman FOR the Irish people, call them a Scottish club if you choose to, but I think the very roots of this great club should not be ignored nor treated with such disdain.

Sadly for many people, when you leave the 26C you become persona non grata. Celtic was founded by an Irishman for the Irish community and unlike Millwall, Corinthians Sao Paulo and Palmeiras (founded by Scots, Spanish and Italians respectively) are no longer supported by the ethnic group they were founded for. But having said that, davros' point about that 'not more Celtic fans followed Ireland' sums it all up. Most Scottish Celtic fans support Scotland or nothing. And the nothing is probably because Celtic players were booed while playing for Scotland years ago.

While I too accept Celtic's Irish links, the things I dislike is firstly the hypocrisy surrounding Rangers' discrimination towards Catholics (to paraphrase an anti-apartheid song, not only did Celtic continue to 'play Hun City', but it suited them that while Rangers would not sign Catholics, they would be able to sign them instead) and secondly this 'duo-ity' of Ireland and Celtic where they are like the trinity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit: one yet two at the same time. Celtic is just a football club.

To Davros and DG, are you by any way married?

[Junior]

Originally posted by Duncan Gardner
Junior- I'm quite content to acknowledge Celtic's roots. They are, and probably always will be, a Scottish club with large Irish support because of these. I don't see anyone denying that on here, certainly not the post you referred. Most Irish Celtic fans recognise that it's a foreign club, like Liverpool or ManU- albeit with particularly close links to the 'mother' country, if you like. Will that do as a compromise?

:)


The difference with Celtic and ManU/Lpool is that Celtic were actually formed for the Irish people not an insignificant difference than, say, just having a large support of Irish.

I think its comments such as 'The fact that a few thousand sectarian idiots support them, doesn't make them Irish' that for me, suggest these roots are not being taken into consideration.

I'm not suggesting you have the same outlook,as it appears from your post that you have a more level headed view on this.

[Junior]

Originally posted by lopez
Sadly for many people, when you leave the 26C you become persona non grata. Celtic was founded by an Irishman for the Irish community and unlike Millwall, Corinthians Sao Paulo and Palmeiras (founded by Scots, Spanish and Italians respectively) are no longer supported by the ethnic group they were founded for.

Lopez, am I reading this correctly - are you suggesting that Celtic are no longer supported by the Irish community? surely not??

[lopez]

My mishtake.

I meant to say '...and unlike Millwall, Corinthians Sao Paulo and Palmeiras (founded by Scots, Spanish and Italians respectively) who are no longer supported by the ethnic group they were founded for, Celtic still are.'

I hope that clears that up. Cheers!

[Junior]

glad Ididn't go off on a rant now !!!!:p

[liamon]

Originally posted by Junior
The difference with Celtic and ManU/Lpool is that Celtic were actually formed for the Irish people not an insignificant difference than, say, just having a large support of Irish.

I think its comments such as 'The fact that a few thousand sectarian idiots support them, doesn't make them Irish' that for me, suggest these roots are not being taken into consideration.


I am well aware of the origins of the club. The club draws a lot of support from Ireland. I'm included in that group. Been there, bought the jersey. However, it's my opinion that the club is not an Irish club. It's Scottish. There are strong historical links to Ireland, but it's still Scottish.

Americans may have "Oirish" ancestry from 5 generations back, but that doesn't make them Irish.

[Junior]

Originally posted by liamon
I am well aware of the origins of the club. The club draws a lot of support from Ireland. I'm included in that group. Been there, bought the jersey. However, it's my opinion that the club is not an Irish club. It's Scottish. There are strong historical links to Ireland, but it's still Scottish.

Americans may have "Oirish" ancestry from 5 generations back, but that doesn't make them Irish.

Fine, however, you can see how your comment didn't exactly portrait that message?

Out of interest how many generations back do you have to go before not being Irish?

[liamon]

I think the UEFA regulation is that if your grannie was Irish....

[liamon]

Originally posted by davros

you can say what you like,but 50+ CSC's in Ireland & the vast majority of Celtic fans consider themselves Irish,even if their ancestors emigrated generations ago.......Even if not'technically'Írish,surely how they feel & nationalistic aspirations are good enough in my book.
They & many others are proud to be part of the Irish Diaspora......what's the problem,not parochial enough for you?!


Well, isn't that shocking. CSC's in Ireland consider themsleves Irish. :rolleyes:

As for the residents of Glasgow that support Celtic, I don't think they would get behind Ireland if we were playing the Scots.

As stated previously, I've nothing aginst Celtic. I'm a fan. I know the links to Ireland that exist. But I don't consider them to be an Irish club. Based in Scotland. Lots of Scots fans. Scottish. That's my opinion, right or wrong.

As for the Diaspora thing, if your granny was Irish, no bother. I have cousins in the UK and USA who come home every now and then. I consider them Irish, despite the foreign accents. But I have no time for muppets who couldn't even find Ireland on the map, yet claim to be "Oirish" coz their great, great grandfather came from Sligo. Same for the muppets who have the misconception that the IRA are great lads and that we're all supporting the fight against de brits.

[Junior]

Originally posted by liamon
As for the residents of Glasgow that support Celtic, I don't think they would get behind Ireland if we were playing the Scots.



I take it you didn't go to Hampden earlier in the year?

no doubt that the support is split Scotland/Ireland/Other, but to say the residents of Glasgow would not be supporting Ireland is a gross misstatement. You only had to be at this friendly to see that.

[liamon]

Few quick points, then I'm off for the weekend:

Everyone likes us. Not just the Scots.

Scots lads supporting Ireland doesn't make Celtic an Irish club.

As for some people supporing Ireland, maybe they have strong links to Ireland, beyond Celtic. I don't know why they do support Ireland, and frankly my dear, I just don't give a damn.

Celtic are still not an Irish club.
Nothing against them,
If you want to go see an Irish club, try Cork City, Derry City, Bohs, etc.

[lopez]

Originally posted by liamon
I think the UEFA regulation is that if your grannie was Irish....

WRONG. That's the Department of Justice regulation for an Irish passport.

Dunno what you've against our American cousins. I went over there, told them I was Irish, and they gave me 'some money for the boys.' I told them I had no kids, but they still insisted.:D :D (Copyright Sean Hughes)


Originally posted by davros

the vast majority of Celtic fans consider themselves Irish,even if their ancestors emigrated generations ago

Unless things have changed since the eighties when I watched Celtic in Europe, you're talking out of your culo, hombre.


Originally posted by junior

I take it you didn't go to Hampden earlier in the year?

no doubt that the support is split Scotland/Ireland/Other, but to say the residents of Glasgow would not be supporting Ireland is a gross misstatement. You only had to be at this friendly to see that.

Where are the Celtic fans from Glasgow at Ireland games outside Scotland? There's loads from London and the SE, Birmingham, Manchester, Leicester, Luton. I know two from Glasgow, both 2nd generation, and that's it. Yeah they were going to bring 3,000 in 1995 to Lisbon. Cojones. Davros watches Celtic in Europe, so do loads others. It can't be that more difficult to reciprocate, and follow your country abroad.

[Junior]

Originally posted by lopez

Where are the Celtic fans from Glasgow at Ireland games outside Scotland? There's loads from London and the SE, Birmingham, Manchester, Leicester, Luton. I know two from Glasgow, both 2nd generation, and that's it. Yeah they were going to bring 3,000 in 1995 to Lisbon. Cojones. Davros watches Celtic in Europe, so do loads others. It can't be that more difficult to reciprocate, and follow your country abroad.

Agreed, I think I even know the 2 you are on about (brother and sister by any chance?)

I think the fact is that a large proportion of the Celtic support are not interested in the slightest by International football, and hence you don't tend to hear many Irish supporters with scottish accents.

However, if asked who they would be up for in a ROI v Scotland game, a significant number would support the ROI (be it from an armchair perspective or similar...)

Jnr

[lopez]

Originally posted by Junior
Agreed, I think I even know the 2 you are on about (brother and sister by any chance?)

They're the ones.

I was at the 1985 Scottish final and met these lads who said they hated Scotland and supported Ireland. Never saw them again. On the other hand I bumped into Ray Houghton's countless brothers in 1987 and they were all supporting the nation of their birth.

Liverpool and Glasgow are the two biggest Catholic cities per population (and by virtue, containing the largest ethnic - Irish communities) but I rarely see any Scousers either. The cities that provide the Irish fans from Britain are all high with post-war immigration (and therefore have a large 2nd generation Irish population), rather than with Liverpool and Glasgow whose immigration was mostly in the 19th Century.

[Junior]

Originally posted by lopez
They're the ones.

I was at the 1985 Scottish final and met these lads who said they hated Scotland and supported Ireland. Never saw them again. On the other hand I bumped into Ray Houghton's countless brothers in 1987 and they were all supporting the nation of their birth.

Liverpool and Glasgow are the two biggest Catholic cities per population (and by virtue, containing the largest ethnic - Irish communities) but I rarely see any Scousers either. The cities that provide the Irish fans from Britain are all high with post-war immigration (and therefore have a large 2nd generation Irish population), rather than with Liverpool and Glasgow whose immigration was mostly in the 19th Century.

Its an interesting point and one I've never really thought about before, but like yourself I know plenty of Mancs,Brummies, Londoners and even a few Cider drinkers from Bristol (who I'm sure you know) but no Scousers and apart from R & D no Glaswegians.

[nlgbbbblth]

Originally posted by davros

When I wore a Celtic top'@ the Scotland friendly,the'famous Tartan army'said they were surprised,that not more Celtic fans followed Ireland!Also met some of their fans,who were supportive of our nationalistic aspirations,as I am of theirs;so not all bad,then!

the Ireland v Scotland friendly?

funny that,

when I go and see Ireland play I wear an Irish jersey or NO jersey

not the jersey of a foreign club

[BanagherOK!]

"when I go and see Ireland play I wear an Irish jersey or NO jersey

not the jersey of a foreign club"


Orangemen always refer to people from the south as foreigners,,wether you like it or not most people around europe see Celtic as being more Irish than Scottish,,,,maybe thats why they like them so much :-)

[nlgbbbblth]

Originally posted by BanagherOK!
"when I go and see Ireland play I wear an Irish jersey or NO jersey

not the jersey of a foreign club"


Orangemen always refer to people from the south as foreigners,,wether you like it or not most people around europe see Celtic as being more Irish than Scottish,,,,maybe thats why they like them so much :-)

I am not getting through to you people

f u c k i n g hell

Do Holland fans wear German club shirts when watching Holland play?

Do Czech Republic fans wear Spanish club shirts when watching Czech Republic play?

Do English fans wear Scottish club shirts when watching England play?

no they f u c k i n g don't is the answer

I have no problem with people if they want to wear Celtic shirts but don't wear them at an international game involving Ireland. If you do , you are a c u n t.

[lopez]

Originally posted by nlgbbbblth
I am not getting through to you people

f u c k i n g hell

Do Holland fans wear German club shirts when watching Holland play?

Do Czech Republic fans wear Spanish club shirts when watching Czech Republic play?

Do English fans wear Scottish club shirts when watching England play?

no they f u c k i n g don't is the answer

I have no problem with people if they want to wear Celtic shirts but don't wear them at an international game involving Ireland. If you do , you are a c u n t.

We wouldn't know as we don't go to watch Holland and CR play. As for the scum, seen picture of their wonderful supporters in Moldova once, with replica flags of Northern loyalist paramilitary groups, and shirts from a certain Glasgow club, founded by Scots for Scots.

PS, you're the c u n t round here telling people what to wear, and not to wear, at football matches.

[Junior]

Originally posted by lopez
We wouldn't know as we don't go to watch Holland and CR play. As for the scum, seen picture of their wonderful supporters in Moldova once, with replica flags of Northern loyalist paramilitary groups, and shirts from a certain Glasgow club, founded by Scots for Scots.

PS, you're the c u n t round here telling people what to wear, and not to wear, at football matches.

seconded.

[Duncan Gardner]

Boys,calm down please. But if you must swear, just type it. **** gets your message across fine... :(

Banagher. Most other Europeans think Celtic are Irish? I doubt it. Granted the 'Tic have been quite successful in marketing themselves thus, but before last term they never stayed in Europe long enough for that to make an impression. Fans abroad will know generally that Celtic finish first or second in the SCOTTISH league every season.

Lopez. Aye, you see UVF flags occasionally at England games. But the scale isn't comparable to Celtic shirts at Lansdowne. And of course, the comparison ain't like for like- Celtic jerseys are just an irritant for other fans, UVF favours (or at least membership) represent a serious criminal offence.

As for Dutch or Czech international games, I suspect a man of your wide travels throughout Europe knows perfectly well how fans there tend to dress. Am I right? :)

[yur man]

Originally posted by nlgbbbblth
I am not getting through to you people

f u c k i n g hell

Do Holland fans wear German club shirts when watching Holland play?

Do Czech Republic fans wear Spanish club shirts when watching Czech Republic play?

Do English fans wear Scottish club shirts when watching England play?

no they f u c k i n g don't is the answer

I have no problem with people if they want to wear Celtic shirts but don't wear them at an international game involving Ireland. If you do , you are a c u n t.

seconded

[Junior]

Originally posted by nlgbbbblth
I am not getting through to you people

f u c k i n g hell

Do Holland fans wear German club shirts when watching Holland play?

Do Czech Republic fans wear Spanish club shirts when watching Czech Republic play?

Do English fans wear Scottish club shirts when watching England play?

no they f u c k i n g don't is the answer

I have no problem with people if they want to wear Celtic shirts but don't wear them at an international game involving Ireland. If you do , you are a c u n t.

But fans of all countries wear their club shirts to internationals. Ireland have many supporters who support Celtic, and wear their club shirt to Irish internationals.

No big deal is it, unless you are some kind of fashion policeman?:p

Jnr

[nlgbbbblth]

Originally posted by Junior


No big deal is it, unless you are some kind of fashion policeman?:p

Jnr

how did you guess?

that's the sole reason why I'm bringing this up...

[lopez]

Originally posted by davros
Excellent!Betis,Sporting Lisbon,Panathinaikos & even the men formerly from Milltown,all draw inspiration from Celtic/Ireland,as do numerous smaller clubs across Ireland & britain!

Just when someone else gets me on the side of these Celtic supporters, they always come along and ruin it with their sanctimonious drivel.:rolleyes:

To the anti-Celts.

If you are sick of the pathetic booing of a visiting player, because they once put a fiver on Rangers winning the 1989 Scottish Cup final, I'm with you.

If you are sick to death of the weekend migration to see a club play in a league that would be, without two clubs, worse than the Eircom league, you have my support.

But Celtic were founded by a man from Sligo for Irish migrants. You can't expect us to reject what is the most successful soccer club formed by the Irish. Take away the bigotry, hypocrisy and bull**** surrounding some of their fans, it is something to proud of.

[yur man]

then why dont irish rugby fans support london irish over their own clubs in ireland :rolleyes:

those clubs were founded by irish emigrants for irish emigrants in those countries

[Lionel Hutz]

Originally posted by nlgbbbblth
I am not getting through to you people

f u c k i n g hell

Do Holland fans wear German club shirts when watching Holland play?

Do Czech Republic fans wear Spanish club shirts when watching Czech Republic play?

Do English fans wear Scottish club shirts when watching England play?

no they f u c k i n g don't is the answer

I have no problem with people if they want to wear Celtic shirts but don't wear them at an international game involving Ireland. If you do , you are a c u n t.

Think youll find the history of these countries to be very different to that of Irelands so I see no point in comparing.

BTW Instead of telling all Celtic fans on here what you think of them for wearing the hoops to Ireland games I suggest you should do it at the next international you attend as this would make for a far more lively debate than waiting hours or indeed days online here for a reply.
:)

[lopez]

Originally posted by yur man
then why dont irish rugby fans support london irish over their own clubs in ireland :rolleyes:

those clubs were founded by irish emigrants for irish emigrants in those countries

I take it you are refering to Celtic rather than the list of clubs given by Davros, which, with the exception of Shamrock Rovers, have no connection with Ireland or the Irish (Panathinaikos, allegedly founded by a Catholic priest - in a country where the RC church is more unpopular than on the Shankill Road - was formed by Athenians, and whose club crest was suggested by a Turkish born Greek member after a club, Chalkidona, from his home town of Constantinople (now Istanbul)).

May I offer four suggestions to London Irish' lack of support in Ireland.

1. Rugby is nowhere near as popular as soccer.

2. Irish rugby sides (the provincial sides) are far more successful internationaly than eircom league clubs, and play in a stronger league. The clubs also cover a greater area (Ulster taking in a population of close to two million) than any club.

3. If London Irish were in the Heineken Cup final (keep wishing:( ) then I'm sure there would be, at least, passive support, and if the final were in Ireland, the game would attract far more Irish punters than the all-French final did. Also, Irish papers cover the club's games.

4. London Irish, being a truly non-sectarian club, having neither any formal association with Catholic clergy nor a fan base almost entirely of Catholic origin, is hardly going to attract some of the people that visit Parkhead. This is proved by certain Irish fans I know who think the club - which as you rightly point out, not only represents their community, but also has closer ties with Ireland than Celtic - is too 'Brit' for them. Sad but true!!

[Schumi]

London Irish do have support in Ireland for broadly similar reasons that non-sectarian Celtic fans support Celtic. This has diminished slightly with the advent of the ERC and the success of the Irish provinces. The difference however is that, both now and before the provincial system came into place, people would support an Irish team against London Irish.

[yur man]

Originally posted by lopez
I take it you are refering to Celtic

for the most part yes, but any foreign club that people support over their own local club


Originally posted by lopez
1. Rugby is nowhere near as popular as soccer

cant see how that matters


Originally posted by lopez
2. Irish rugby sides (the provincial sides) are far more successful internationaly than eircom league clubs, and play in a stronger league. The clubs also cover a greater area (Ulster taking in a population of close to two million) than any club.

so you admit they are glory hunting. since when does celtic/man u/liverpool/arsenal area cover ireland


Originally posted by lopez
3. If London Irish were in the Heineken Cup final (keep wishing:( ) then I'm sure there would be, at least, passive support, and if the final were in Ireland, the game would attract far more Irish punters than the all-French final did. Also, Irish papers cover the club's games.

i would never cheer on london irish over a team from ireland


Originally posted by lopez
4. London Irish, being a truly non-sectarian club, having neither any formal association with Catholic clergy nor a fan base almost entirely of Catholic origin, is hardly going to attract some of the people that visit Parkhead. This is proved by certain Irish fans I know who think the club - which as you rightly point out, not only represents their community, but also has closer ties with Ireland than Celtic - is too 'Brit' for them. Sad but true!!

yes they are truly sad, cos we have teams in ireland to support. my main objection is that many ireland fans plough more money into the english and scottish fa's through goin to matches/buyin jerseys etc and cant wait for the next damien duff/roy keane without supportin them on their way up

1) club
2) country
3) foreign club/country

whats hard about that?

[Greenbod]

Originally posted by yur man

1) club
2) country
3) foreign club/country

whats hard about that?

Nothing hard about it. It's just your opinion of where your loyalties should lie.

For me its:

1) Country
2) Whatever takes your fancy.

[yur man]

did u not see anythin wrong with irish celtic fans turnin up to richmond park cheerin them on against pats

[Greenbod]

Originally posted by yur man
did u not see anythin wrong with irish celtic fans turnin up to richmond park cheerin them on against pats

Yes. I do. I don't understand this mindset to be honest, but that doesn't mean they're not entitled to do it.

I am a "fair-weather" Pat's fan ie I follow their progress but get to only about 3 or 4 games a year. I'm also a Celtic fan and get to 1 game per year.

I would cheer any Eircom League side against any side from a foreign league including Celtic.

My real passion is reserved for the National team.

[lopez]

lopez said: I take it you are refering to Celtic

yur man said: for the most part yes, but any foreign club that people support over their own local club

With me you're preaching to the converted. Seen Irish clubs in Europe more times than Celtic over the past eighteen years. Shame they seem to draw teams from the former Soviet block.


lopez said: 1. Rugby is nowhere near as popular as soccer

yur man said: cant see how that matters

Matters in the numbers willing to fork out lots of dosh every weekend to go to another country.


lopez said: 2. Irish rugby sides (the provincial sides) are far more successful internationaly than eircom league clubs, and play in a stronger league. The clubs also cover a greater area (Ulster taking in a population of close to two million) than any club.

yur man said: so you admit they are glory hunting. since when does celtic/man u/liverpool/arsenal area cover ireland

Yep. Just that Celtic also have an Irish connection


lopez said: 3. If London Irish were in the Heineken Cup final (keep wishing ) then I'm sure there would be, at least, passive support, and if the final were in Ireland, the game would attract far more Irish punters than the all-French final did. Also, Irish papers cover the club's games.

yur man said: i would never cheer on london irish over a team from ireland

I was talking about a foreign side. If LI were playing Munster, Leinster or Ulster, I would support LI. But that's because it's representing my community. But I went to support Munster against Northampton at the 2000 ERC at Twickenham. Normally, I couldn't give a monkey's **** who you would or would not support, but tell me would you support, even tacitly, LI against such a team, or are they just another foreign rugby club to you?


lopez said: 4. London Irish, being a truly non-sectarian club, having neither any formal association with Catholic clergy nor a fan base almost entirely of Catholic origin, is hardly going to attract some of the people that visit Parkhead. This is proved by certain Irish fans I know who think the club - which as you rightly point out, not only represents their community, but also has closer ties with Ireland than Celtic - is too 'Brit' for them. Sad but true!!

yur man said: yes they are truly sad, cos we have teams in ireland to support. my main objection is that many ireland fans plough more money into the english and scottish fa's through goin to matches/buyin jerseys etc and cant wait for the next damien duff/roy keane without supportin them on their way up

Again, totally agree. The adulation for British teams in Ireland is pretty sickening. And we're not talking about the glamour sides of Man Ure, Liverpoor and the Arse, or Celtic, but clubs like Ipswich, Leicester, Nottingham Forest. Crap teams basically.


yur man said: 1) club
2) country
3) foreign club/country

whats hard about that?

I'd put country before club. Sadly there are too many who think that the holy cow of Glasgow Celtic are on the same level as Ireland.

[Lionel Hutz]

Originally posted by yur man

1) club
2) country
3) foreign club/country

whats hard about that?

If thats how you feel and it makes you happy then good for you!
Others may have different priorities though.

whats hard about that?

[gspain]

I've no propblem with people sitting on barstools or getting the boat to watch English or Scottish football. I'd prefer if they didn't although I don't like it when they slam our league.

It is up to us to get our own house in order. We have by far the most popular, most played sport and best to watch yet the top level in this country is still behind the rest of Europe.

I do have a big issue though when those muppets try and damage the image of our national team by bringing their petty foreign prejudices to our team.

[BanagherOK!]

When I said people around europe see Celtic as an Irish club I didnt for one second think anyone would take from that comment that they physically played in Ireland,,,I meant because of their image. I tuned into the champions league and saw Celtic defeat Lyon 2-0 in a wondeful game now what struck me was after watching thousands sing and wave Irish flags the after match comments were from goal scorer Liam miller,,,then the manager Martin Oneil,,,I turned on the radio later on and heard a few sound bytes from a delighted Desmond Dermot (main shareholeder) and finally I listend online to a scots football phone in and up pops callers from Belfast and Derry,,is it any wonder Celtic have an Irish image! JEEEEEZ

I dont have a Celtic top but Im getting one now and will wear it prodly at the next internatiional,,,,wether you disgruntled anti Celtic people like it or not they are our club, started by Irishmen for Irishmen

Hail Hail