Referees

[Guitd]

after watching our game v UCD tonight for the second game in a week we wer denied a clear cut peno at a crutial time in both games ; they are a law to themselves Hanny should be suspended for life after tonights performance .The FAI expect clubs to be pro in the way the carry out their business but some of these guys are a complete joke ;;; they are turning people away from games with frustration

[gufct]

How Pat Kelly keeps his job I dont know .I thought Mark Gough was bad but my god hanney Topped it all tonight . How he was allowed back in the Premier after shafting Sligo in Cork is an absolute disgrace.

The ultimate insult is were all expecting to see Hitler Appoint Gough for next Fridays game.

[Tir Oilean]

I heard tonight that Gough is reffing us v De Town on Fri

[Guitd]

the refs are simply not up to the standard that is required not fit enough for our league anymore bring in some refs from north or wales pay them well at least the wont be biais tonight a Dub refs us against a Dub team wtf is Kelly at appointing clowns like these

[eamo1]

I know its my fellow Galway Utd fans posting but id love to get suggestions for what can be done from others.Could fans petition for a no confidence in Kelly?A major email campaign might help?
I said it tonight too,after seeing that im seriously thinking again of packing in the eircom league.And im not a fairweather fan,ive been season ticket holder for 9 seasons now but its just so frustrating to see that most weeks.If im thinking of packin it in then casuals will surely be do it too.Its bad.I mean whats point of paying money in to see a game and the outcome affected by some "wild card"??For players too it must be highly frustrating to train all week hard and then put in the effort on the pitch but get denied a win or a draw due to a ref.ITS HAPPENING WAY TO FREQUENTLY NOW.Im very close to packing it in.

[Réiteoir]

ANOTHER thread with people whinging about referees?

Never saw this coming tbh :rolleyes:

[sligoman]

ANOTHER thread with people whinging about referees?

Never saw this coming tbh :rolleyes:Another post by you complaining about people complaining about referees?

Never saw that coming either:rolleyes:.

[deecay]

Another post by you complaining about people complaining about referees?

Never saw that coming either:rolleyes:.
Was gona complain about this thread myself,every game every week ref's are terrible

[Réiteoir]

Another post by you complaining about people complaining about referees?

Never saw that coming either:rolleyes:.


Didn't expect anything better from some "contributors" on here - what with this cropping up every couple of weeks and then a Mod/Admin making the comment that one of their players was a bit unlucky not to break the legs of an opponent tonight and that "Healy should have finished the job on him, put him out of his misery"

No wonder this place is laughed at by the more right thinking fans around the League.- well yer welcome to it lads - i've better things to be doing

[sligoman]

well yer welcome to it lads - i've better things to be doingThere's a 'Log Out' button just up to your right there.

[don ramo]

sadly notin will be done, should really make it a rule here that ref talk is banned,

i would write a letter, if i thought anyone who could do something would, but sadly the only person who can do something is, well, pat kelly, he the head of the refs and they arent associated with the FAI, the FAI have no power over them, they can do as they please,

only way of getting rid of these morons is for the FAI to hire a new association or develop there own

[rambler14]

sadly the only person who can do something is, well, pat kelly, he the head of the refs and they arent associated with the FAI, the FAI have no power over them, they can do as they please,


Yes they are. Pat Kelly's official title is "Pat Kelly, head of the FAI’s Referee Department"

[oldyouth]

Sorry, but if you don't keep pressure on the refereeing situation, it will never get fixed.

Last night, Youths V Shels was a cracking game of football which could have gone either way. Then the ref and 1 of the linos started letting blatent fouls go unpunished. Eventually, frustration steps in and we are down to 10 men and couldn't hold out. Effectively, bad refereeing contributed significantly to the result. I have seen decisions in the past go in our favour but I cannot accept the theory that 'they all balance out over the season' when mistakes are on such a high scale

I am not saying their actions are deliberate, I'm saying they are not good enough

[pineapple stu]

Sorry, but if you don't keep pressure on the refereeing situation, it will never get fixed.
What's that supposed to mean?

If people really want refereeing to improve, get off your arses and take a refereeing course.

[oldyouth]

What's that supposed to mean?

If people really want refereeing to improve, get off your arses and take a refereeing course.
It means that the standard of referreeing here needs to be 'fixed' not improved slighlty. Too many games are decided by bad decisions and there needs to be some form of action. FAI observers and match officials seem to be too cosy and more demotion, suspension or similar needs to be taken.

As for asking an overweight, unfit, auld fella like my self to take up a course to replace the current referees, well that's just going like for like

[jebus]

Referees are poor, but what do you expect in a semi-pro, niche market league? Seriously?

The only issue I've had with a ref this season is the guy who was in charge of the Limerick-Cork FAI Cup game. Not because he gave Cork a penalty for a blatant dive from Mooney, more because afterwards when the Limerick fans were given him abuse about the decision he started laughing and put his hand to his ear to urge us on more. A large part of me was hoping a few of out fans would hop on to the pitch and give him so more alright :rolleyes:

[CharlesThompson]

It's true that the standard of refereeing is substandard in this league. Just a few blatant examples from last nights match:

Killian Brennan was yellow carded for pulling Darren Murphy's jersey (I though it was his hand he was pulling but I stand corrected. Anyway...), Joe Gamble then pulls Killian Brennans jersey and was let off. Same ref. Same game. Half an hour later. Wtf?

Colin Healys 'challenge' on Joxer Kelly deserved nothing less than a red card. Simple decision, no arguments. Off.

Both challenges where O'Donnell clearly won the ball by tackling in from the side. He ended up getting a yellow card for the pure frustration with the inadequacy of the referees decisions.

Then the Cork supporters complain of being 'ridden rock solid'. Funny.

[Comic Book Guy]

Was that Stokes who reffed the City/Bohs game last night, if so he is back in the saddle quickly after the debacle of Ramblers/Bray a couple of weks ago.

[Juanace]

Blame the ref all you like lads..he isn't the reason your second bottom.

By the way as a UCD fan at the game I have never been subjected to more abuse from your supporters. Upon Galway equalising a galway fan waved his fist in my face calling me a Dublin ***** numerous times, while my mate was jostled from behind by a group of supporters.

The anti dublin stuff was unreal and eye opening.

Hope you go down

[Guitd]

Blame the ref all you like lads..he isn't the reason your second bottom.

By the way as a UCD fan at the game I have never been subjected to more abuse from your supporters. Upon Galway equalising a galway fan waved his fist in my face calling me a Dublin ***** numerous times, while my mate was jostled from behind by a group of supporters.

The anti dublin stuff was unreal and eye opening.

Hope you go down

yer about as useful to this league as tits on a bull !!
state funded with grounds etc..... and no fans..

[Copa Mundial]

Was gona complain about this thread myself,every game every week ref's are terrible

My god the amount of moaning and whinging that goes on on this site is beyond belief. People talk about referees turning people away from games due to decision making. If you look at all the threads on here the vast majority of them are of a negative nature. Has anybody thought of the affect that has on the image of the league or if indeed that air of negativity is turning people away?

How about the sub standard facilities at some of the grounds in our league,has this had an impact on why people do not come to our games? Some stadia have improved dramatically in the last few years but work is still to do. Progress being made!

How about the standard of players in the league, has that had an affect on why people do not come to see games in the league? Over the past few years the quality of player has improved but previous to that lets face it most of the players were average doing their very best in a part time role. Never before have so many players from the league moved abroad to perceived larger Clubs. Progress being made!

Even Managers are improving due to coaching courses and so on but before that the tactical ability and nous of most coaches was probably basic at best. Again, Progress being made!

How about the amount of negative press and media, has that had an impact on people's perception of the league and turned them away? Or indeed tv pundits and punditry. Surely when TV has a captive audience they should talk up all things good rather than portraying things in a bad light so that the product can be sold. After all, it has worked a dream for BBC and Sky down through the years

The point that i am trying to make is that Match Officials are no different. Going back a number of years irish referees were older, less fit and maybe less educated in the laws of the game. As with Clubs, a huge amount of work is going on behind the scenes geared towards improving our match officials. They are younger, fitter and developing all the time in terms of game education. It is the same work that is being done in the likes of Germany, England, Spain, France, Italy etc.. with their match officials. Make no mistake about it, referees will make mistakes and no amount of coaching will legislate for that but all the work that is being done in terms of education and development is all geared towards making each match official the best that they can possibly be.
Somebody made a point about fitness and that irish match officials are not fit. I would like people to know that FIFA set a specific fitness test for referees and assistant referees and unless that is passed then no official is permitted to operate in their respective leagues. This test is set by highly trained personnel in the area of Sports Science. Irish referees are fitness tested at least 4 times a season and their level of fitness matches and surpasses the required standard and expectation and that is a fact. I also know for a fact that other countries match officials are struggling to attain that standard.

I know that the majority of posters on this site are supporters and match officials are an easy target. At times they make themselves an easy target but some of the flack that is dished is undeserved. I have looked at all the recent threads relating to refereeing and the vast majority of arguments are based on individual opinion as opposed to actual Laws of the Game which is all part and parcel of football..opinion. But match offiicals are governed by the Laws of the Game. A copy of the Laws of the Game can be downloaded from the FIFA website and for anyone who is interested, i promise that it will make interesting reading and throw up its fair share of surprises for most.

Progress is being made with Match Officials whether people want to believe that or not. FIFA and UEFA seem to think so. It is not easy being a Match Official in modern football with improved technology analysing and over analysing every decision numerous times. We saw in the Euro Championships this year some decisions where the refs were crucified by the media but when the dust settled the decisions were proved correct. That has been the case with some of the decisions in the EL this season also. Every referee will make mistakes and that is unfortunate. I dont believe any of us have ever seen a match official who has not made a mistake during their respective careers and that is no different in any other country.

I dont expect to convert the 'non believers' with this post, the aim was merely to point out that match officials like lots of other things in our leaque are improving and the structures for further improvement are in place.

If there are to be responses to this post please make them as constructive as possible rather than smart ass one liners. Then a decent and productive discussion can take place:ball:

[Mr Maroon]

Hanney lastnight was atrocious. Not biased, just incompetent.
Also, how come our match and the Bohs match both had Dub refs?

[CharlesThompson]

Hanney lastnight was atrocious. Not biased, just incompetent.
Also, how come our match and the Bohs match both had Dub refs?

Listen, anybody who thinks that 'Dub Refs' are actually biased to teams from Dublin are seriously deluded. Referee's from Dublin, like referee's from the country are plain and simply incompetent. That's it. They fück up decisions for ALL teams. In fact, if there is any bias shown toward any team that I have ever witnessed it is more to do with 'home decisions' than where a referee is from.

I gather the suggestion that is trapsed around these parts is that if a ref hails from Dublin and is refereeing a match between a Dublin and country team then he is likely to show favouritism to the Dublin side? How does anyone work that out? Who's to say (IF a referee was biased in any way) that he was a Rovers fan but refereeing a match between Bohs and Galway. Are you suggesting that he'd favour Bohs?? Give me a break.

Last night our 'Dub Ref' should have sent off Colin Healy, he should have carded Joe Gamble for the same offence he carded Killian Brennan earlier and he punished Stephen O'Donnell twice for tackles in which he cleanly won the ball, resulting in a yellow card following the second one. That's bias? Get off the stage will ye!

Typical of some of the posters chip-on-the-shoulder attitude towards teams from the capital.

[finnpark]

after watching our game v UCD tonight for the second game in a week we wer denied a clear cut peno at a crutial time in both games ; they are a law to themselves Hanny should be suspended for life after tonights performance .The FAI expect clubs to be pro in the way the carry out their business but some of these guys are a complete joke ;;; they are turning people away from games with frustration

It wasn't a penalty. Murphy should have been booked for diving. Watch it on TV Monday night.

The goal Galway got should have been a free out for hand ball. Stop winging.

The fact is Jeff Kenna and the rest of the Galway defense were skinned by UCD's fast forwards. Also, Galway went gung ho out attack and you don't do that against UCD

[geezer]

on referees, I personally cant stand alan kelly but its an awful job and teams
should at the end of the day blame themselves for their positions particularly in a league

[Mr Maroon]

It wasn't a penalty. Murphy should have been booked for diving. Watch it on TV Monday night.

The goal Galway got should have been a free out for hand ball. Stop winging.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=yoysQPscI8w

[finnpark]

Yes it was a dive. He didn't even protest after because he knew it was a dive.

The sending off was a laugh though. It was a trip near the corner flag

[jebus]

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=yoysQPscI8w

You're joking right? By your own video footage it was clearly a dive and the Galway player should have been booked for attempting to cheat

[sligoman]

we wer denied a clear cut peno at a crutial time in both gamesPenalty?:D Suppose you were one of the fellas shouting for handball just before Murphy's goal too?

Good goal by Murphy and since when have UCD got a flag?:eek:.

[Rovers fan]

well yer welcome to it lads - i've better things to be doing


Clearly you don't,you have well over 2000 posts:rolleyes:

[pineapple stu]

Penalty?:D Suppose you were one of the fellas shouting for handball just before Murphy's goal too?

Good goal by Murphy and since when have UCD got a flag?:eek:.
Galway's goal took a massive deflection; was going into Gregg's arms otherwise.

The sending off was clear - Lester wrapped his arms around Timmy and dragged him down in the same position from which we'd just scored ten minutes earlier.

Also, we've had a flag for years. Just lazy!

Edit - looking at the video, the second peno call looks a dive alright. Galway fans have been complaining elsewhere that both our goals were offside (they clearly weren't; Fitz was in an offside position for the first, but it was the Galway defender whose header sent him clear) and that their red wasn't justified (it clearly was). At what stage do we expect an apology from those fans that maybe the referee was correct and they were wrong? Or will all this get quietly swept under the carpet until fans reckon they've been screwed again and start calling refs incompetent when in fact, it's the fans who are incompetent?

[razor]

ANOTHER thread with people whinging about referees?

Never saw this coming tbh :rolleyes:Didn't see last nights carry on but Goughs decision not to award Galway a pen against Derry was an absolute disgrace.

[oldyouth]

My god the amount of moaning and whinging that goes on on this site is beyond belief. People talk about referees turning people away from games due to decision making. If you look at all the threads on here the vast majority of them are of a negative nature. Has anybody thought of the affect that has on the image of the league or if indeed that air of negativity is turning people away?

How about the sub standard facilities at some of the grounds in our league,has this had an impact on why people do not come to our games? Some stadia have improved dramatically in the last few years but work is still to do. Progress being made!

How about the standard of players in the league, has that had an affect on why people do not come to see games in the league? Over the past few years the quality of player has improved but previous to that lets face it most of the players were average doing their very best in a part time role. Never before have so many players from the league moved abroad to perceived larger Clubs. Progress being made!

Even Managers are improving due to coaching courses and so on but before that the tactical ability and nous of most coaches was probably basic at best. Again, Progress being made!

How about the amount of negative press and media, has that had an impact on people's perception of the league and turned them away? Or indeed tv pundits and punditry. Surely when TV has a captive audience they should talk up all things good rather than portraying things in a bad light so that the product can be sold. After all, it has worked a dream for BBC and Sky down through the years

The point that i am trying to make is that Match Officials are no different. Going back a number of years irish referees were older, less fit and maybe less educated in the laws of the game. As with Clubs, a huge amount of work is going on behind the scenes geared towards improving our match officials. They are younger, fitter and developing all the time in terms of game education. It is the same work that is being done in the likes of Germany, England, Spain, France, Italy etc.. with their match officials. Make no mistake about it, referees will make mistakes and no amount of coaching will legislate for that but all the work that is being done in terms of education and development is all geared towards making each match official the best that they can possibly be.
Somebody made a point about fitness and that irish match officials are not fit. I would like people to know that FIFA set a specific fitness test for referees and assistant referees and unless that is passed then no official is permitted to operate in their respective leagues. This test is set by highly trained personnel in the area of Sports Science. Irish referees are fitness tested at least 4 times a season and their level of fitness matches and surpasses the required standard and expectation and that is a fact. I also know for a fact that other countries match officials are struggling to attain that standard.

I know that the majority of posters on this site are supporters and match officials are an easy target. At times they make themselves an easy target but some of the flack that is dished is undeserved. I have looked at all the recent threads relating to refereeing and the vast majority of arguments are based on individual opinion as opposed to actual Laws of the Game which is all part and parcel of football..opinion. But match offiicals are governed by the Laws of the Game. A copy of the Laws of the Game can be downloaded from the FIFA website and for anyone who is interested, i promise that it will make interesting reading and throw up its fair share of surprises for most.

Progress is being made with Match Officials whether people want to believe that or not. FIFA and UEFA seem to think so. It is not easy being a Match Official in modern football with improved technology analysing and over analysing every decision numerous times. We saw in the Euro Championships this year some decisions where the refs were crucified by the media but when the dust settled the decisions were proved correct. That has been the case with some of the decisions in the EL this season also. Every referee will make mistakes and that is unfortunate. I dont believe any of us have ever seen a match official who has not made a mistake during their respective careers and that is no different in any other country.

I dont expect to convert the 'non believers' with this post, the aim was merely to point out that match officials like lots of other things in our leaque are improving and the structures for further improvement are in place.

If there are to be responses to this post please make them as constructive as possible rather than smart ass one liners. Then a decent and productive discussion can take place:ball:

Well that was a Saturday well spent for you!!!!!

A handball is a handball, a tackle without getting the ball is a foul, a deflected shot going beyond the end line off a defender is a corner kick. Some basic rules of the game and not one word uses more than 10 letters

[WoodquayBoy]

Blame the ref all you like lads..he isn't the reason your second bottom.

By the way as a UCD fan at the game I have never been subjected to more abuse from your supporters. Upon Galway equalising a galway fan waved his fist in my face calling me a Dublin ***** numerous times, while my mate was jostled from behind by a group of supporters.

If that happened, and I don't doubt you, I don't condone it, but next time you visit, don't put yourself in that position again and instead go to the away fans section. Was very surprised to see UCD fans in the new stand


The anti dublin stuff was unreal and eye opening.
You have got to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your first time outside of Dublin was it?

[GuisaSaigon]

Hanney was shocking the other night, he missed two clear penalties in the build up to Murphy's goal. The UCD defender was clumsy and Murphy's penalty shout should have been given. The red card was harsh, but what you don't see on youtube is the dozens of other ridiculous decisions he made.

Mark Gough the previous Monday is another inept idiot that has been given a ref's kit as some kind of sick FAI joke. Watch a couple of examples of his refereeing here at around 1.05 http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=LvV3i8XeOCU and here at around 1.49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A02dZdGh850

And the rumour is they are sending this clown to Terryland again on Friday. If the FAI are trying to turn people off going to League of Ireland games they are doing a great job!

[rambler14]

refereeing here at around 1.05 http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=LvV3i8XeOCU and here at around 1.49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A02dZdGh850


2 horrendous decisions. Both as bad as each other. The 1st one's a joke!

[brianw82]

2 horrendous decisions. Both as bad as each other. The 1st one's a joke!

Absolutely. Although I would wager that the 2nd one is even worse - he clearly wins the ball. That kind of stuff would get you fired from any normal job for gross incompetence.

[pineapple stu]

and instead go to the away fans section. Was very surprised to see UCD fans in the new stand
There's an away section? Where is it? Never knew anything about that.

(Though would still have gone to the new stand)

[eamo1]

Dont care what anyone says here im still thinking of packing it in.As i said been a season ticket holder for 9 years and just cant take the constant anger and frustration i feel after most(not all) games.Ye have no idea what its like that you cant even look forward to your teams game anymore because in the back of your mind you know your gonna feel worse at the end of it.And i know we(galway utd) are where we are for MANY other reasons.Thats not the point,the point is a REAL fan of an e.l club is 70% sure this will be his last season due not to the football but to the officating.

[pineapple stu]

Strikes me as tough that you don't know the rules of the game, to be honest.

The reasons you speak of - are DVDs among them?

[deecay]

Dont care what anyone says here im still thinking of packing it in.
Aw dont do that

[eamo1]

Im a "nerd" when it comes to football and could talk alot about tactics and rules,but i do have a life so i dont talk at all:).Wish there was a way could show you i know more about it then you but i couldnt be ar*ed to be honest.It doesnt matter anyway.

[oldyouth]

Dont care what anyone says here im still thinking of packing it in.As i said been a season ticket holder for 9 years and just cant take the constant anger and frustration i feel after most(not all) games.Ye have no idea what its like that you cant even look forward to your teams game anymore because in the back of your mind you know your gonna feel worse at the end of it.And i know we(galway utd) are where we are for MANY other reasons.Thats not the point,the point is a REAL fan of an e.l club is 70% sure this will be his last season due not to the football but to the officating.
This is my point Eamo1. A TRUE football fan will always (after the dust settles) acknowledge that the reason for a defeat is that the better team won. What is killing the game is very poor officials deciding the outcome. If each team got or lost 5 significant decisions a season, well that is just human nature and it balances out. What we have here is beyond belief.

[Terry-Lander]

Face it people...........we weren't up to it. Murphs may have been fouled but his acrobatics made it look like a dive. Most people on here, irrespective of their club, agree that there is a very low standard of refereeing. We all know that so why expect anything else? The only consolation is that the refs are equally incompetent no matter who is playing.

[Youths4Ever]

at least in the premier division you have a slight chance of bad ref displays being looked at and highlighted the standard in first division is just as bad if not worst.

Won't actually say anything about the ref and linesman in particular but quote from Shels forum from someone who was at game sums it up nicely

"Special mention to the linsman!!
ALL Shels fans should buy that man a drink next time he's in Tolka Smile"

[jebus]

Dont care what anyone says here im still thinking of packing it in.As i said been a season ticket holder for 9 years and just cant take the constant anger and frustration i feel after most(not all) games.Ye have no idea what its like that you cant even look forward to your teams game anymore because in the back of your mind you know your gonna feel worse at the end of it.And i know we(galway utd) are where we are for MANY other reasons.Thats not the point,the point is a REAL fan of an e.l club is 70% sure this will be his last season due not to the football but to the officating.

Cry me a river :rolleyes: Are you sure you're thinking of quitting because the standard of officials is poor (is it worse than 7 years ago even?), or is it because Galway are heading for relegation? If Galway were flying high on the back of some dodgy decisions, or even if the ref had given 3 undeserved penalties to let Galway beat UCD last weekend would you be on here spouting the same drivel about quitting the league as you are here? If that's the way you feel then you know where the door is to be honest, we have two part time leagues after all, what standard do you expect?

[eamo1]

Just to set the record straight,ive been a fan for the last 11 years,season ticker holder for last 9.Most of those years were spent in the 1st division,ive seen us get relgated twice before in those 11 odd years and NOT walked away.I really had though that when we got to the premier league this time that ref standards would have improved and wouldnt suffer the same amount.IMO it has gotten WORSE,not better.So im NOT walking out coz we MIGHT get relagated.Doesnt matter anyway.

[Conor H]

Cry me a river :rolleyes: Are you sure you're thinking of quitting because the standard of officials is poor (is it worse than 7 years ago even?), or is it because Galway are heading for relegation? If Galway were flying high on the back of some dodgy decisions, or even if the ref had given 3 undeserved penalties to go Galway to beat UCD last weekend would you be on here spouting the same drivel about quitting the league as you are here? If that's the way you feel then you know where the door is to be honest, we have two part time leagues after all, what standard do you expect?

It will remain sub-standard if people at the top have the same attitude as you.Apathy towards referees incompotence should not be tolerated.
To say that we have 2 part time leagues is incorrect.In the premier League 8/12 teams are currently full time.
At a time when the LOI is going as professional as at can,why should the referees be left out of it?

[jebus]

Two questions, one in general and one to yourself if you feel like coming back into this thread eamo

1) What standard do people expect from referees in a part time league? I'm not saying they are in any way good at what they do, but every club in every league have problems with their officials (except maybe AC Milan). Now if a cash cow like La Liga or the Premiership can't get it right what do you expect the eircom League to have?

2) Would you be thinking of quitting if poor referee decisions had put Galway in the top 5 this year eamo?

[Dodge]

1) What standard do people expect from referees in a part time league? I'm not saying they are in any way good at what they do, but every club in every league have problems with their officials (except maybe AC Milan). Now if a cash cow like La Liga or the Premiership can't get it right what do you expect the eircom League to have?
Rubbish argument. No country have full times refs, and its hard to see how having them full time would improve them. Can't see what kind of training they could do (most are fit enough for the job). As it is, these lads are the best we have. if they're not good enouugh, imagine the rest below them?

However, anyone who thinks that referees are responsible for their league position is an idiot. None of the refs are biased. All make mistakes but thats all they are. I'd imagine they make less mistakes than every player on the pitch. Funny how no team that wins every complains about ref performances