Who's signing up for the 5year membership?

[The Rebel Ram]

Anyone signing up for the 5 year membership deal? Got info on it today. Deff gonna sign up on Tuesday morning. You can pay over 3, 4 or 5 years. You get a reserved seat in the stands too.
The club needs the bobs to get through the present. This will be a way for the club to get back on track and to refocus on balancing out the books. Which i think will be done with the right people on board.
The cost isn't much per week/month. You can pay it off early if you want too. When ever Gaynor is 9/1 again :)

[pcplod]

ya got info aswell its a great idea and i will be signing up to not only is it helping out club but its an easy way for me to pay for my season ticket for next five years at something like eleven euro a week excellent

[bellavistaman]

Ive it done too

[ramsfan]

havent heard of this can someone explain please

[bellavistaman]

New find raisng drive ramsfan,€2000 from any supporter for a 5 yr membership, which includes all the usual but ou also get yuor own seat in the stand for the 5 years, i think this one will really separate the real fans from the "town cryers", also rams have linked up wit aib for this so you can get a loan off them which i did over 3,4,or 5 years, the 5 years deal works out as a tenner a week. Club needs the money.

[bellavistaman]

I'll meet up with ya during the week and give the details of it all if you want ramsfan...

[don ramo]

hardly get a loan now lads, E2000, theres a pay weekly option isnt there,

[luka]

New find raisng drive ramsfan,€2000 from any supporter for a 5 yr membership, which includes all the usual but ou also get yuor own seat in the stand for the 5 years, i think this one will really separate the real fans from the "town cryers", also rams have linked up wit aib for this so you can get a loan off them which i did over 3,4,or 5 years, the 5 years deal works out as a tenner a week. Club needs the money.

Something like this isn't a bad idea and I don't want to be the one to put a dampner on it but your last sentence 'Club needs the money' sums it all up. Personally I look at this as being a short term fix. A fix for right now if you like. If people are to take a loan from any lending institution then its quite obvious that intrest will be applied to any such loan, which will increase the outlay quite significiantly. Ok, it's your membership paid for the next five years which reduces the likelyhood of any Season Ticket increase being applied against you for an annual purchase.

I'd be interested to see the official club press release on this and it ****es me off that such important information should make it's way onto a discussion forum before being put on the official website. Nothing personal Bella but I'm sure you understand what I mean. First port of call for any info like that should be the club site. Having said that, I won't be updating it until tomorrow anyway.

[rambler14]

New find raisng drive ramsfan,€2000 from any supporter for a 5 yr membership, which includes all the usual but ou also get yuor own seat in the stand for the 5 years, i think this one will really separate the real fans from the "town cryers",

Poor choice of words there bella.

It doesn't really appeal to me. €2000 just for a seat, surely there has to be more to it!
I absolutely hate sitting down at matches which is why I go to the Northbank so a seat for 5 years is useless to me.

I doubt i'll be going for this. I certainly won't be taking out a loan for it if I do, because i'm just about to get a car loan so 2 loans are out of the question.

Oh well back downtown with me "Here ye, Here ye!"

[ramsfan]

not real an option for a lot of people as to commit yourself to 2 k is a lot , also it should really have been put to mebers and supporters by leeter before being released on this forum

[The Rebel Ram]

Must be my efficient postman again getting the info first.:)
I hope there are a few that will be taking up the opertunity. I personally think it is a great deal and at €10 per week there aren't many that can't afford it.
It's what being a member to me is, helping the club through bad times so we can celebrate great times. Last November when we won the league was one of the greatest nights I had. I was buzzing for weeks. Only Ramblers can do that for me.
If you are taking a loan of course the bank is going to charge interest but work it out it isn't a great deal extra, it eases the burden of the lump sum every year.
Seriously think about it lads, I personally don't sit in the stands much either, but think of the nights it will be pelting with rain in October and November, no need to be getting in early for a big game to keep your seat.
If you are already a member it only starts the five years in Janurary, so it will be Jan 2014 before you have to renew, think of it like that.
As for the way it came out, we need the bobs ASAP, that's why there is a rush. I have heard of some fantastic plans for the next year for fundraising, If we sort the finances now with this membership I have no doubt we will be looking sweet for the future. I think this club will be leading the way for others to follow.
Think about it, the club needs it, we owe it to the club

[don ramo]

fundraising is one thing, but E2000 is a bit much for most people, people have splurged cash for the last 10-15 years and are now only useing there heads, so i wouldnt be expecting a good takeup of this idea,
also does this include family tickets,

also bella very poor choice of words, rams have 600 real fans yet have 1-200 season ticket holders, thats judgeing on the previous 2 years in first division and i would say if we were relegated tomorow we would have more, our support has increased in the premier divsion, average is over 1000 a game, thats 60% odd increase,

also would like to know the figures on the sunderland event, was wondering if anyone knows if the members will be updated by post or an info meeting

[ramsfan]

actual figure is 2600 euro, if i was to buy a season ticket at current price for next 5 years i would pay 1250 euro adifference of 1350 euro is a big one and means there are 16 games per season at home

250/ 16 = 15.6 euro per game

520 /16 = 32.5 euro per game

ramblers is a night out and a laugh watching team i love, would you pay 32 quid to watch our football at mo?

[bellavistaman]

Poor choice of words there bella.

It doesn't really appeal to me. €2000 just for a seat, surely there has to be more to it!
I absolutely hate sitting down at matches which is why I go to the Northbank so a seat for 5 years is useless to me.

I doubt i'll be going for this. I certainly won't be taking out a loan for it if I do, because i'm just about to get a car loan so 2 loans are out of the question.

Oh well back downtown with me "Here ye, Here ye!"

No i still think this one will separate the real fans from the town cryers, its not a profit making move its a jesture to the club, i have a car loan, and still took out the loan. I never sit down at games but it still gives you the sense of importance and the feel you belong to the club.

And luka in all fairness it doesnt matter if this isnt put out on what website i didnt start the thread but the word has to be spread ASAP, and thats prob why rebel ram posted it.

[luka]

Before I continue I'll say that I'm not totally against this idea, but need to make that clear before as people twist things to suit when carrying a story back.


No i still think this one will separate the real fans from the town cryers,

I disagree with that Bella. People are free to make whatever choice they want.


And luka in all fairness it doesnt matter if this isnt put out on what website

Indeed it does. It's about time people started to realise exactly what the Official Site is for and how best to use it. There is a deep lack of understanding behind the scenes when it comes to this side of things and never enough information coming out of the club to put on it. Look at the other teams around us. They all have regularly updated content. FFS it's a job for us to have info before a match. People need to look at their roles and discover exactly what it is they are supposed to be doing like.


i didnt start the thread

Sorry. For some reason I thought you did.

Bottom line for me here is that I'd like to see this in Black & White before making any decision.



Is there an opt out option?
What happens a contributor if he/she get's banned from the Club?
What happens if a contributor thinks the next elected committee is not up to the job?
This is supposedly enabling a contributor a five year membership. How does this affect a family membership?
Is there a Weekly/Monthly option via Direct Debit? As we know, DD's can be cancelled at any time which leads to my next question
Is there a contract between Contributor & Club for this that covers either refunds or being contracted and obliged to pay the full amount once signed up so that you are not permitted to cancel a DD once signed so as to ensure that you pay the full amount you agreed to?



Those are just some of the basic questions

[pcplod]

every member will get a letter i would say by wedensday at latest due to long weekend. It is basically asking members for a donation of €2000. There are a couple of different ways of doing this the first being handing over the money directly, or else you can go to the AIB bank and sign for a loan of the above amount over 3,4,or 5 years the club has set this up with the bank and they will recieve €2000 for every member exisitng or new who does this. That means that direct debits cant be stopped as there will be a contract with the bank not the club to pay them back.

In return for this each person who takes this up will recieve a five year membership which will include a reserved seat in the stand

This is being aet up to help try and save the club as the club needs money in the current and this is a way of securing it. It is a chance for all of us to help out and insure the club has a bright future.

As to family tickets etc i am not sure how that will work, will probably be in letter, as for someone getting banned how often does that happen and more than likely it will have been there own fault so im sure it wont be an issue realisticaly.

[forza rovers]

we done that this year but our was 15 year season tickets for 1k

[luka]

every member will get a letter i would say by wedensday at latest due to long weekend. It is basically asking members for a donation of €2000. There are a couple of different ways of doing this the first being handing over the money directly, or else you can go to the AIB bank and sign for a loan of the above amount over 3,4,or 5 years the club has set this up with the bank and they will recieve €2000 for every member exisitng or new who does this. That means that direct debits cant be stopped as there will be a contract with the bank not the club to pay them back.

In return for this each person who takes this up will recieve a five year membership which will include a reserved seat in the stand

This is being aet up to help try and save the club as the club needs money in the current and this is a way of securing it. It is a chance for all of us to help out and insure the club has a bright future.

As to family tickets etc i am not sure how that will work, will probably be in letter, as for someone getting banned how often does that happen and more than likely it will have been there own fault so im sure it wont be an issue realisticaly.


I think an an option to pay via DD from your own bank should also be included in this for those who may not be willing to take out a loan so as not to be paying interest but who also do not want to pay a €2000 lump sum. The request is for €2000 for a five year seat. Thats €400 per year for the next five. Take a loan and you end up paying €2680.8 and the club only get €2000 of that. The AIB get the other €600. Personally if I were doing it it by an installment option then I would prefer to have it taken from my own Bank and on my terms. More people might sign up to it if there is a choice as listed below.


Take a loan with AIB over 5yrs and pay €2680.8 approx
Pay via your own bank and pay €2000 only


Third choice could be that AIB make these loans interest and fee free for the duration but that's unlikely. I suppose looking at it in the cold light of day paying a tenner a week won't add up to much even if there are 200 members paying it so the option really only is the load from AIB as the club get the cash straight away. Well, I've asked and answered my own question there I suppose.

[luka]

we done that this year but our was 15 year season tickets for 1k


Don't you mean 15yrs for 10k.........?

[jfarlo]

would have t agree with luka and ramsfan here lads. This does not look like a viable option to me.
Firstly its 400 a year without paying any interest.More than 500 if you go for the interest option. At the moment a season ticket ia almost half this price.
Secondly what happens IF I am not happy with how the club is being run in future years. At the moment it seems any joe sope can call an egm. Can I opt out.
Next what if something goes wrong in the next few years. Will i be left repaying a loan for a club that is not playing senior football.
Also bella how do you believe that this will show the real fans. There is no incentive involved in this package to attract buyers. It looks as if you pay over the odds for a seat. With most clubs a season ticket is used to attract people to the ground on a regular basis this just seems to be a money making effort.
Would like to see the press release on this one luka. Is there one to follow that shows the complete package on offer. and as you have already said is there a direct debit option where the interest to the bank is removed

[pcplod]

I can see yor point but the problem is the money is needed now so that is why an instalment option isnt really approbiate at this time and hence why the club has done this deal with the bank as it may be hard for everyone to cough up €2000 straight out of their pocket.

[marty]

Firstly it does not show real fans at all thats just bull what bout all the elders who supported the club through the years where are they going to get that kind of cash--does that make them town cryers?? It certainly wont appeal to me and ive supported the club a long time including away games through the years but wont ever hand that kind of money to the club the way things are at the moment,just my opinion but i doubt there will be many takers too much bad feeling around the club.

[bellavistaman]

Smply because it is a members club, you hear at the meeting we do this we do that, it is now time for people to put their money where their mouth is IMO..

[don ramo]

Smply because it is a members club, you hear at the meeting we do this we do that, it is now time for people to put their money where their mouth is IMO..

my money is in my throat, how much further in do i have to put it, why dont they try to get the 4-600 poeple who are not season ticket holders to become holders, E2000 is a lot of money for anyone, and according to you if we dont pay were cryers,

[luka]

my money is in my throat, how much further in do i have to put it, why dont they try to get the 4-600 poeple who are not season ticket holders to become holders, E2000 is a lot of money for anyone, and according to you if we dont pay were cryers,


I don't think Bella meant it in the real sense of the word as we know it at the Club DR, but fair enough it could have been worded with a little more care as we're the ones being asked to cough up and being castigated for being a 'cryer' isn't a label anyone one wants if taken in the context as used at the club.

I can see your point about it being a lot of dosh and I agree. It is a lot of dosh. People have already dished out for season tickets, donated to events in between, coughed up for the Sunderland gig and now this. Personally I feel that pursuing this just now isn't the best idea and it's no use if only a hand full pay up because the amount raised then won't do much good. Someone inside of the club needs to get a list of people who want to do this, say 100 names, and then get the dosh in one go and put it to good use.

[ramsfan]

the one thing i am getting from this is that if you sign up the only real option is to stump 2k straight away from personal funds or from loan with aib adirect debit of 10 euro a week is useless, who in their right mind is going to throw 2k of their money on the table without any idea where and when money will be spent.

this is a very ill thought idea i am sorry to say, looks like it was thrown out there in hope

why cant stuff like this be released through club website where it could be laid out in black and white what is required and what your obligations are then a proper debate on idea could take place instead of leak info in dribs and drabs and causing confusion, this idea could have merits but the way it was released and the crap about real fans and town cryers has probaly doomed it

[The Rebel Ram]

who in their right mind is going to throw 2k of their money on the table without any idea where and when money will be spent.



Lads if this money doesn't go in we might have no club to support. The finances are in a dire state, they are going to be turned around but we need this money to turn it around. Forget about all that town cryer stuff, think about what the club means to you. It does cost more money than at present but the club needs this extra cash. Nearly every other club in the league is under pressure, already Derry, Sligo and Galway have moved back to part-time. Cork are under serious pressure. If we can generate this cash then we can stabilise the clubs finances and we can focus on generating more through other funraisers, friendlies and concerts etc.
The name on the seat is more to say to everyone that you were one of those who dug deep when the club needed it most and you helped save the club. If you can afford it lads please do it.

[forza rovers]

Don't you mean 15yrs for 10k.........?no 1k

[drinkfeckarse]

That's some deal! :eek:

[luka]

That's some deal! :eek:

Too right. Was that for a Season Ticket like and was it to raise the 130,000 needed by the end of August?

Cheers

[rambler14]

If we can generate this cash then we can stabilise the clubs finances

Thats the thing though! We were told the Sunderland match would stabilise the finances.

[outside in]

Thats the thing though! We were told the Sunderland match would stabilise the finances.
the sooner we hear how well it did the better.afaik final numbers arnt in yet

[outside in]

actual figure is 2600 euro, if i was to buy a season ticket at current price for next 5 years i would pay 1250 euro adifference of 1350 euro is a big one and means there are 16 games per season at home

250/ 16 = 15.6 euro per game

520 /16 = 32.5 euro per game

ramblers is a night out and a laugh watching team i love, would you pay 32 quid to watch our football at mo?
agree wit ya on this ramsfan ,i cant see many taking up the offer

[chimpster]

Whatever about the cost of each membership, this scares the **** out of me. Raising money like this now will just starve us of funsds for the next 5 years. Ok, so there are creditors who need to be paid, fair enough, but what then? I hope there's a grand plan for the club following behind this, otherwise we're screwed.

[chimpster]

Thats the thing though! We were told the Sunderland match would stabilise the finances.

But only 4000 or so turned up. I'm guessing the club was banking on something approaching a full house (i.e. 7000+), but over-estimated Sunderland's popularity. I also think allowing the TV cameras in cost us a few hundred bums on seats.

[chimpster]

actual figure is 2600 euro, if i was to buy a season ticket at current price for next 5 years i would pay 1250 euro adifference of 1350 euro is a big one and means there are 16 games per season at home

250/ 16 = 15.6 euro per game

520 /16 = 32.5 euro per game

ramblers is a night out and a laugh watching team i love, would you pay 32 quid to watch our football at mo?

While I'm not happy about this scheme, its going to happen so lets make sure it works out well for the club.

There are 16.5 games at home (prem) or 18 (first div), lets average at 17 so that's average 30 euro a game. How much do you think it'll cost to get into a match in 5 years time? I'd guess 25/30 euro at least, so its not much extra.

Also, like it or not, the cost of season tickets typically go up 10-15% a year, so the cost of 5 years of season tickets is more like 1600 euro, i.e. the difference is about 1000 euro. Sounds big, but actually works out at a 4 euro a week premium to help keep the club afloat - small change for most people.

Bear in mind that the season ticket is also giving voting rights. This is very unusual. At most members sports clubs you first pay for a season ticket, which then gives you the right to stump up another 100 to 200 euro for club membership and voting rights (and often its only after you've been a season ticket holder for a few years). Plus with Ramblers you get a shiny seat with your name on it!

[drinkfeckarse]

I also think allowing the TV cameras in cost us a few hundred bums on seats.

Depends on what the club received from Setanta though...

[don ramo]

yes but the normal incentive is to give the 5 year ticket for cheaper in order to get cash quick, not charge more than what its worth,

and no way we had 3000 empty seats the st annes end was gonna be closed we were told that

[ramsfan]

yes but the normal incentive is to give the 5 year ticket for cheaper in order to get cash quick, not charge more than what its worth,

and no way we had 3000 empty seats the st annes end was gonna be closed we were told that

st annes road end was open for pats -city the night before though and will continue to be open afaik

[don ramo]

st annes road end was open for pats -city the night before though and will continue to be open afaik
but as was said at the meeting, we wouldnt have it, and if we did it was a bonus, so that was taken into account,

[ramsfan]

ok...

[forza rovers]

Too right. Was that for a Season Ticket like and was it to raise the 130,000 needed by the end of August?

Cheersno it was at the start of season they were only selling 50 of them.

[rambler14]

Got my letter today and I still think that this is a bad solution. I also think that asking the players to do it is a terrible idea and in my opinion the whole thing stinks of desperation.

If you get a 3 year loan you have to pay an extra €592
If you get a 4 year loan it's an extra €784
The 5 year loan would be an extra €940

[don ramo]

thats why you go with the tenner a week option by direct debit:rolleyes:

[ramsfan]

thats why you go with the tenner a week option by direct debit:rolleyes:

do you really think that a tenner a week from 100 people is going to do much good, the only way it will work is if you stump up 2k straight away

[pcplod]

did you not read the letter it will cost you a tenner a week but the club will get the whole €2000 up front either from the bank or directly from the member. The whole idea is to clear our creditors so we can strart with a clean slate again but this will only work if we get the right people running our club.

As for asking the players why not!

Personally i think that a wage cut may be another option and players be awarded bonues for playing well and maybe just maybe it may give them the incentive they need to win a few games.

At the end of the day it will be every ones own personel choicw whether or not to sign up but i dont think all this negative talk will help the matter because i am sure we all want our club to survive and i suppose if that means digging deep then so be it if possible

[ramsfan]

Personally i think that a wage cut may be another option and players be awarded bonues for playing well and maybe just maybe it may give them the incentive they need to win a few games.


this is really what should have happened first , set targets if you reach them you get rewarded, the carrot and the stick trick .

[don ramo]

well think of it, were it you being asked in the current curcumstances, would you agree to a restructuring of your pay,

plus lads, must say given E2000 upfront one of the worst ideas ever, and i will say that to the chairman myself, fair enough it helps NOW, but when were all payed up, thats 100+ who you will not get any money off for another 4 years, tenner a week would appeal to more people, so a possible 200 people, E10 a week, is a nice steady stream of cash,

[SMorgan]

Forgive me for intruding, but you guys appear to be selling the family silver to get over a short term problem. The fact is in 3 years time, when the money from the scheme is gone, you'll still have to run the club with 100 less season ticket holders.

I also think that the story in todays indo about the players being asked to take out loans is a new and all-time low for the league that will have our friends at Platinium One rubbing their hands.

Just my views for what they are worth.

[drinkfeckarse]

That's my main concern too. Short term fixes.