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Ozymandias
14/07/2008, 12:16 PM
was at home having a bit of grub watching skysports news. On the ticker tape at the bottom they were listing preseason friendlies and I saw that Dublin City V Dundee Utd........is this correct...thought Dublin City were gone completely
soccerc
14/07/2008, 12:22 PM
was at home having a bit of grub watching skysports news. On the ticker tape at the bottom they were listing preseason friendlies and I saw that Dublin City V Dundee Utd........is this correct...thought Dublin City were gone completely
It should read UCD Dublin
Ozymandias
14/07/2008, 12:51 PM
thx soccerc
pineapple stu
14/07/2008, 1:11 PM
On their website, they're playing Dublin University College. Their fans are going to get completely confused going to this one!
SPXcyan
14/07/2008, 3:05 PM
jeeeziz was wonderin what was goin on watchin that ticker meself! lol
John83
14/07/2008, 3:59 PM
On their website, they're playing Dublin University College. Their fans are going to get completely confused going to this one!
"Dublin University" is a title Trinity uses. This could be awkward.
holidaysong
14/07/2008, 4:12 PM
"Dublin University" is a title Trinity uses. This could be awkward.
To confuse matters more DUFC is the name of the rugby team in Trinity, while DUAFC is the name of the football team.
So how the hell did DCU get a friendly with Dundee United?
GavinZac
14/07/2008, 8:14 PM
Dundee coming over to use the UCDD facilities then?
Called off in the end. Probably for the best.
sniffa
14/07/2008, 8:18 PM
Dundee coming over to use the UCDD facilities then?
Dundee??? :confused: Thought it was Dundee United :D
GavinZac
14/07/2008, 8:20 PM
Dundee??? :confused: Thought it was Dundee United :D
Possibly University College Dundee? :D
John83
14/07/2008, 9:20 PM
Called off in the end. Probably for the best.
That was the Millwall game. UCD just beat Dundee United 2-1.
Funny, I was just going to post iin the errortel thread that the mistakes are rarely actually from aertel any more and then they go and do this.
My faith in humanity is shattered.
Sam_Heggy
14/07/2008, 10:14 PM
Funny, I was just going to post iin the errortel thread that the mistakes are rarely actually from aertel any more and then they go and do this.
My faith in humanity is shattered.
Faith is over-rated.
pineapple stu
14/07/2008, 11:18 PM
Even Sky Sports had it on their ticket afterwards that Dublin City had beaten Dundee United 2-1.
Worth pondering though. We can lose to Monaghan and Wexford and beat Dundee United without our captain, longest serving player and an Ireland U-21 international? Friendly or not, that's our best result in a long time (which admittedly says much about our current season)
dcfcsteve
14/07/2008, 11:27 PM
Why's the Millwall game off ?
DmanDmythDledge
14/07/2008, 11:31 PM
Why's the Millwall game off ?
Money.
http://www.millwallfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10367~1342446,00.html
dcfcsteve
14/07/2008, 11:47 PM
Money.
http://www.millwallfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10367~1342446,00.html
This is more than a tad unprofessional is it not ?:eek:
Firstly - what were you expecting from this game financially ? Seriously ? And then what happened so that it didn't meet your lofty fiscal expectations ?
Secondly - what about any Milwall fans who have time and flights booked to take in this match ? Is it alright to p!ss about with their money at shot notice ?
My local paper (South London Press) will doubtless have a field day ripping the p!ss out of UCD over this. Amateur club....
pineapple stu
14/07/2008, 11:48 PM
Have a wild guess what "money" implies... Our "lofty fiscal expectations" were to break even from the game, and it became apparent that wasn't going to happen.
I couldn't give a toss what the South London Press has to say about us.
dcfcsteve
14/07/2008, 11:50 PM
Have a wild guess what "money" implies...
Better still - to erase all doubt, why don't you tell us ? And also why it was such a surprise that the game had to be called-off at such short notice ?
I couldn't give a toss what the South London Press has to say about us.
Unprofessional clubs wouldn't I guess :o Doesn't put you in a very good light in Ireland either I'm sure.
pineapple stu
14/07/2008, 11:51 PM
Nobody cares in Ireland either. It's been news for almost a week and you're the first to comment.
I've edited my original post to elaborate on costs.
dcfcsteve
14/07/2008, 11:55 PM
Have a wild guess what "money" implies... Our "lofty fiscal expectations" were to break even from the game, and it became apparent that wasn't going to happen.
Oooh - you've edited since my previous response.
How many would you need to have sold to break-even ? I'm not having a pop here - but as we all know UCD has a small active fan-base. Therefore - to break-even at whatever level, you'd have been overly-reliant on travelling Milwall fans and random Dublin punters turning-up (i.e. clubs with a bigger fan-base would be less reliant on this).
I'm therefore surprised that the club thought Milwall-UCD would be such a draw to entice sufficient numbers of either travelling Milwall fans or curious Dubs to the game.
pineapple stu
14/07/2008, 11:57 PM
Operating costs were way higher than were expected.
Way higher.
We've no problems hosting Dundee United or Stockport, but couldn't afford Millwall, for reasons outside our control.
Getting the picture yet?
dcfcsteve
15/07/2008, 12:00 AM
Operating costs were way higher than were expected.
Way higher.
We've no problems hosting Dundee United or Stockport, but couldn't afford Millwall, for reasons outside our control.
Getting the picture yet?
Yes.
And it's not a very good image of UCD.....
Why did you arrange a friendly with a club, and then only a week before it was due to happen look to pin down the costs ? Why weren't the terms nailed down ages ago ? :confused:
pineapple stu
15/07/2008, 12:03 AM
Nothing to do with the terms. It's to do with us going off, organising the fine details of the game and finding that one particular cost is suddenly gone way up.
Financial prudence. It should paint a very good picture of the club, but maybe we should have gone ahead and run the game at a large loss?
I think Millwall and their fans will get over it. Would doubt there'd be many over for the full week and a half.
But anyway, you go off an write a letter to the South London Press about how unprofessional we are. That'll show us.
Bald Student
15/07/2008, 12:08 AM
Whatever about the South London Press the national news in Ireland today covered a story of 2 eL clubs going into financial meltdown. I agree with Steve that it doesn't look good to cancel a game at short notice but I think that the alternative is worse.
pineapple stu
15/07/2008, 12:14 AM
Probably an over-dramatic way of putting it, but the principle is correct.
I'm fairly sure this isn't the first game ever to be called off with two weeks' notice.
DmanDmythDledge
15/07/2008, 12:53 AM
Nothing to do with the terms. It's to do with us going off, organising the fine details of the game and finding that one particular cost is suddenly gone way up.
Financial prudence. It should paint a very good picture of the club, but maybe we should have gone ahead and run the game at a large loss?
Unfortunately, due to the actions of the club, all that has happened is that we have painted a poor picture of the club. The only reason made available for cancelling the friendly was:
http://www.millwallfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10367~1342446,00.html
"I...regret to inform you that UCD AFC will not now be in a position to accept your offer to fulfil the fixture due to the costs involved in hosting the game and the potential financial loss to UCD, a risk the club can ill afford to take."
Such a comment, 11 days before the game, looks as if the club either messed up doing their sums or only bothered to find out the costs of hosting the game then. To make matters worse they kept it quiet and made it look like they had something to hide. An official statement should have been released on the club official website explaining the situation to prevent the bad feeling towards the club and also having the courtesy to inform fans of UCD and others who wished to attend the game that it would not be going ahead rather than have to read about it on another clubs' website as usual. It is difficult to have sympathy for the club if its reputation suffers as a result of this when it could have been so easily avoided.
dcfcsteve
15/07/2008, 1:01 AM
Unfortunately, due to the actions of the club, all that has happened is that we have painted a poor picture of the club. The only reason made available for cancelling the friendly was:
http://www.millwallfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10367~1342446,00.html
"I...regret to inform you that UCD AFC will not now be in a position to accept your offer to fulfil the fixture due to the costs involved in hosting the game and the potential financial loss to UCD, a risk the club can ill afford to take."
Such a comment, 11 days before the game, looks as if the club either messed up doing their sums or only bothered to find out the costs of hosting the game then. To make matters worse they kept it quiet and made it look like they had something to hide. An official statement should have been released on the club official website explaining the situation to prevent the bad feeling towards the club and also having the courtesy to inform fans of UCD and others who wished to attend the game that it would not be going ahead rather than have to read about it on another clubs' website as usual. It is difficult to have sympathy for the club if its reputation suffers as a result of this when it could have been so easily avoided.
Thanks DMan and Bald Student. Sensible responses to sensible questions
Glad to see that most UCD fans aren't prone to self-delusion amid huffy drama queen outbursts......
Bald Student
15/07/2008, 1:07 AM
Unfortunately, due to the actions of the club, all that has happened is that we have painted a poor picture of the club. The only reason made available for cancelling the friendly was:
http://www.millwallfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10367~1342446,00.html
"I...regret to inform you that UCD AFC will not now be in a position to accept your offer to fulfil the fixture due to the costs involved in hosting the game and the potential financial loss to UCD, a risk the club can ill afford to take."
Such a comment, 11 days before the game, looks as if the club either messed up doing their sums or only bothered to find out the costs of hosting the game then. To make matters worse they kept it quiet and made it look like they had something to hide. An official statement should have been released on the club official website explaining the situation to prevent the bad feeling towards the club and also having the courtesy to inform fans of UCD and others who wished to attend the game that it would not be going ahead rather than have to read about it on another clubs' website as usual. It is difficult to have sympathy for the club if its reputation suffers as a result of this when it could have been so easily avoided.
I'm only guessing as to which cost it was that UCDD underestimated but sometimes it can be better to not release the actual reason a decision was taken.
Dont understand why Pineapple or others wont actually mention the cost that the club under estimated
Anyone at the Shels game tonight will have a good idea:D
It seems amazing to me that the club could have overlooked the fact that an unusually high garda and security presence would be required
Student Mullet
15/07/2008, 1:41 AM
Dont understand why Pineapple or others wont actually mention the cost that the club under estimated
Anyone at the Shels game tonight will have a good idea:DWe're all worried about what the South London News will say about us.
DmanDmythDledge
15/07/2008, 2:10 AM
I'm only guessing as to which cost it was that UCDD underestimated but sometimes it can be better to not release the actual reason a decision was taken.
I can see where you're coming from. It could have caused offence if we came out and said the game is cancelled because of higher security costs because we are playing Millwall (kind of implying they're a bunch of hooligans). However, it still would have been better if we had released a statement saying that the game was off due to higher costs than expected/been informed that costs are higher than originally thought.
Dont understand why Pineapple or others wont actually mention the cost that the club under estimated
Anyone at the Shels game tonight will have a good idea:D
It seems amazing to me that the club could have overlooked the fact that an unusually high garda and security presence would be required
Thought that pineapple stu had (admitedly subtly) let the cat out of the bag earlier on.
pineapple stu
15/07/2008, 8:44 AM
Thanks DMan and Bald Student. Sensible responses to sensible questions
Glad to see that most UCD fans aren't prone to self-delusion amid huffy drama queen outbursts......
You asked a question, you were answered perfectly correctly. Not quite sure where the self-delusion and huffy drama queen outbursts you allude to were.
Only place I can see delusion and drama queen outbursts is in thinking that a local London newspaper would suddenly pounce on week old news, or that the whole nation would suddenly see the light a week later and somehow plunge the whole eL into some sort of embarrassed crisis.
If it makes you happy, I agree that it's not ideal to call the game off two weeks beforehand, but it's nowhere near as big a deal as you're making out.
exiled_gufc_fan
15/07/2008, 8:48 AM
Setanta Sports News i n the UK also carried the "Dublin City" result - confused the hell out of me last night!
bigmac
15/07/2008, 8:53 AM
Sure all that will happen is that Dublin City will be roundly castigated for cancelling a game against Millwall :D
Sure all that will happen is that Dublin City will be roundly castigated for cancelling a game against Millwall
I can't believe that Millwall organised a game against a defunct club and are now complaining that it isn't going to be fulfilled. It really does portray a very poor image of English football, and I'm sure many fans of English clubs are tearing their hair out at the thought of a local Irish newspaper slagging off one of their clubs for making such an embarrassing error.
pineapple stu
15/07/2008, 8:59 AM
Just wait till the Wicklow News gets a hold of this!!
osarusan
15/07/2008, 12:44 PM
I can't believe that Millwall organised a game against a defunct club and are now complaining that it isn't going to be fulfilled. It really does portray a very poor image of English football, and I'm sure many fans of English clubs are tearing their hair out at the thought of a local Irish newspaper slagging off one of their clubs for making such an embarrassing error.
:D:D:D
You already have 3 (I think) potm nominations, 1 from me. If your cup wasn't already running over, I'd nominate this one!
dcfcsteve
15/07/2008, 2:22 PM
You asked a question, you were answered perfectly correctly. Not quite sure where the self-delusion and huffy drama queen outbursts you allude to were.
Only place I can see delusion and drama queen outbursts is in thinking that a local London newspaper would suddenly pounce on week old news, or that the whole nation would suddenly see the light a week later and somehow plunge the whole eL into some sort of embarrassed crisis.
If it makes you happy, I agree that it's not ideal to call the game off two weeks beforehand, but it's nowhere near as big a deal as you're making out.
The question still stands though - at what point did the penny drop and UCD realise that a game against Milwall would have higher than usual security costs ? :confused:
I can't fathom how UCD could have got themselves into such a situation.
Have Milwall suddenly earned a hooligan tag in the last 2 weeks.....?
HarpoJoyce
15/07/2008, 2:47 PM
The question still stands though - at what point did the penny drop and UCD realise that a game against Milwall would have higher than usual security costs ? :confused:
I can't fathom how UCD could have got themselves into such a situation.
Have Milwall suddenly earned a hooligan tag in the last 2 weeks.....?
It is very obvious you are now trying to wind-up not one but two football clubs. Your own local side Millwall FC and an obvious threat to any talented young players floating around, UCD AFC, over what? A friendly that was arranged and then cancelled all in a considered measured time. Is it that there is no problem that upsets you the most?
Derry City FC fans are one of the last LoI club fans to be critising others for failure to show for a game. Topical tournament at the moment
http://www.anderlecht-online.be/resultshistory.php?lang=eng&season=1965-1966
"1/8 final Derry City - RSC Anderlecht 0-3 (victory through forfeiture)
RSC Anderlecht - Derry City 9-0 "
If I could trust moderators to police the threadf fairly I would make an official complaiont but regular poster with high post counts get special treatment on this forum. It does not stop you from being an obvious wind-up-merchant.
dcfcsteve
15/07/2008, 2:53 PM
It is very obvious you are now trying to wind-up not one but two football clubs. Your own local side Millwall FC and an obvious threat to any talented young players floating around, UCD AFC, over what? A friendly that was arranged and then cancelled all in a considered measured time. Is it that there is no problem that upsets you the most?
Derry City FC fans are one of the last LoI club fans to be critising others for failure to show for a game. Topical tournament at the moment
http://www.anderlecht-online.be/resultshistory.php?lang=eng&season=1965-1966
"1/8 final Derry City - RSC Anderlecht 0-3 (victory through forfeiture)
RSC Anderlecht - Derry City 9-0 "
If I could trust moderators to police the threadf fairly I would make an official complaiont but regular poster with high post counts get special treatment on this forum. It does not stop you from being an obvious wind-up-merchant.
Harpo Joyce - you've just lost it here...
The Anderlecht game was over 40 years ago and came at a time when the IFA were trying to stop us using the Brandywell for European games. Hence why it was an issue.
As for Moderation - I can assure you I have DaHamsta breathing down my neck for the most inoccuous petty things all the time. Though nice try to 'force the refs hand' here.... :rolleyes:
Beyond that your post makes little sense and is extremely defensive. I still fail to see how UCD didn't think that Milwall would have inflated security costs. It may not be nice to admit it - but it's a rather amateur fcuk-up by the club. How did Shels and Bray manage to get this right, but UCD didn't....? If you can't see there's a genuine question there, then don't bother responding at all please.
HarpoJoyce
15/07/2008, 3:02 PM
Harpo Joyce - you've just lost it here...
The Anderlecht game was over 40 years ago and came at a time when the IFA were trying to stop us using the Brandywell for European games. Hence why it was an issue.
As for Moderation - I can assure you I have DaHamsta breathing down my neck for the most inoccuous petty things all the time. Though nice try to 'force the refs hand' here.... :rolleyes:
Beyond that your post makes little sense and is extremely defensive. I still fail to see how UCD didn't think that Milwall would have inflated security costs. It may not be nice to admit it - but it's a rather amateur fcuk-up by the club. How did Shels and Bray manage to get this right, but UCD didn't....? If you can't see there's a genuine question there, then don't bother responding at all please.
Your questions will never end, because the match itself isn't going ahead, you can talk about the non-existent game, ad infinitum(more European references). You have already added some extra questions by comparing us with other clubs who have different experiences of security at their own grounds. You will never be satisfied, so it's better to put you on a starvation diet.
I still fail to see how UCD didn't think that Milwall would have inflated security costs. It may not be nice to admit it - but it's a rather amateur fcuk-up by the club. How did Shels and Bray manage to get this right, but UCD didn't....? If you can't see there's a genuine question there, then don't bother responding at all please.
Thats because you're a ****ing thick steve, who simply cannot understand ANYTHING that isn't spelt out for them.
UCD DID undertstand that the costs would be higher, but didn't realise how high they would be. They decided it wasn't in their best interests to hold the game.
Shels and Bray thought the costs were manageable and decided to hold game.
Either way, it doesn't really matter to anybody, as anybody who wanted to see Millwall had their chance with the Shels and Bray games, and its fairly obvious that UCd fans didn't want the game to go on.
The fact that it annoys you so much shows that only petty fools with a hard on for UCD and pedantry cared enough to complain.
Thread closed. Take it up in support if you feel hard done by
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