Zidane doped?

[ken foree]

http://theoddsandsods.com/2008/06/02/zidanes-autobiography-stolen-contained-possible-steroid-links/

[ken foree]

he was bloody good wasn't he. crushing if true

[jebus]

I think we'd all be fooling ourselves if we wouldn't admit that deep down we know all the top sports stars are doping. Doesn't diminish from Zidane being the best player of our generation in any way, same as it didn't for Maradona

[stojkovic]

Its come up before about Italian doping in the 90s.

Funny how ZiZou got better when he left and went to Madrid :D

[superfrank]

As stojkovic pointed out, Italian football was full of doping in the 90's. Zidane, Del Piero, most of that Juve side were giving "special injections" to keep them going.

There was one incident where, the night beofre the UEFA Cup final in '96, iirc, Paolo Cannavaro recorded (or else was recorded by someone else) a video of one of his teammates getting one of these injections. Parma won the UEFA Cup the next night.

[Macy]

Italian football was full of doping in the 90's.
You're kidding yourselves if you think it was just italian football, and just in the 90's. If you don't test you don't get positive results.

[jebus]

Ever wondered how a football player can recover from an ankle injury in two weeks, the same injury that would require us normal humans to rest it for two months?

On an aside I'm constantly amazed that people are amazed when a football game is found to rigged. I remember readin a quote from a mafia boss in relation to when they started fixing college basketball games in the US, he said that if there's money to be made from betting on something, you can be sure that that something is rigged. Had a real eye opener a while back when I was in Ladbrokes putting a few weekend bets on. An Asian man walked to the counter, produced a roll of 50s and put a bet on Spurs drawing with Chelsea 4-4 at what I can only imagine was ridiclous odds, you can imagine my surprise when the score came through that weekend that Spurs had in fact drawn 4-4 with Chelsea

[John83]

I know Zidane and much of Juve were taking creatine, which is legal, but it would be interesting to see someone come out and admit to something like EPO or steroids.

Anyone else cynical enough to think this could be a marketing ploy though? :)

[Macy]

it would be interesting to see someone come out and admit to something like EPO or steroids.
Sure cortisone, a steriod, is practically boasted about in football... "A. Random Player got a (cortisone) injection to enable them to play"

[John83]

It's more useful as a painkiller though, right?

[Closed Account 2]

At the time Zidane was at Juventus, the delle alpi was more awash with substances than the poppy fields of the Panjshir Valley... Juventus have always been a corrupt team, operating beyond the margins of legality

[Macy]

It's more useful as a painkiller though, right?
It's not a painkiller - it's a steriod that reduces inflammation, which as a consequence can reduce pain.

[John83]

Makes sense.

[pineapple stu]

Doesn't diminish from Zidane being the bets player of our generation in any way, same as it didn't for Maradona
Agree. I'm pertty sure there's no drug out there that makes you damn good. Should point out that I don't condone drug taking, etc, etc, etc.

[Morbo]

Ever wondered how a football player can recover from an ankle injury in two weeks, the same injury that would require us normal humans to rest it for two months?

On an aside I'm constantly amazed that people are amazed when a football game is found to rigged. I remember readin a quote from a mafia boss in relation to when they started fixing college basketball games in the US, he said that if there's money to be made from betting on something, you can be sure that that something is rigged. Had a real eye opener a while back when I was in Ladbrokes putting a few weekend bets on. An Asian man walked to the counter, produced a roll of 50s and put a bet on Spurs drawing with Chelsea 4-4 at what I can only imagine was ridiclous odds, you can imagine my surprise when the score came through that weekend that Spurs had in fact drawn 4-4 with Chelsea

Haha bet you were kicking yourself for not copying the Asian guy's bet, next time you'll know what to do.
Not sure how they would rig that game though, exact scores are difficult to rig, were both keepers in on it to let in exactly 4 goals but no more? Seems a lot easier to just bribe the ref or one of the keepers and just bet on the winner. Wouldn't be surprised one bit if it was discovered that a lot of premiership refs were bribed

[jebus]

Haha bet you were kicking yourself for not copying the Asian guy's bet, next time you'll know what to do.
Not sure how they would rig that game though, exact scores are difficult to rig, were both keepers in on it to let in exactly 4 goals but no more? Seems a lot easier to just bribe the ref or one of the keepers and just bet on the winner. Wouldn't be surprised one bit if it was discovered that a lot of premiership refs were bribed

Pay off enough people and you can achieve anything!

It's a take on a Lisa Lionheart slogan I like :)

[superfrank]

Doesn't diminish from Zidane being the best player of our generation in any way, same as it didn't for Maradona
Maradona was banned for doing cocaine. Cocaine is not a performance enhancer or something that will help you recover more quickly, etc.

Being banned for taking cocaine isn't as bad as being banned for taking a performance enhancing drug or something that will help you recover, etc.

Taking cocaine is not cheating.

[lofty9]

Agree. I'm pretty sure there's no drug out there that makes you damn good. Should point out that I don't condone drug taking, etc, etc, etc.

Viagra?

[jebus]

Maradona was banned for doing cocaine. Cocaine is not a performance enhancer or something that will help you recover more quickly, etc.

Being banned for taking cocaine isn't as bad as being banned for taking a performance enhancing drug or something that will help you recover, etc.

Taking cocaine is not cheating.

He was suspended in 91 for taking cocaine, he was suspended in 1994 for ephedrine however, which is a performance enhancing drug

[superfrank]

He was suspended in 91 for taking cocaine, he was suspended in 1994 for ephedrine however, which is a performance enhancing drug
Apologies then. He's also a cheat.

[jebus]

Apologies then. He's also a cheat.

Nothing has been proven against Zidane yet, none of the major sports outlets are covering the story either, which makes me think it's source might not be the most reliable

[superfrank]

There was a whole trial in Italy a few years back investigating the doping in the game. There's a whole chapter about in Paddy Agnew's Forza Italia. It's been a while since I read it but, AFAIR, Zidane was not charged in it. He was just asked to give evidence, along with Del Piero and other Juve/Serie A players. IIRC, the main loser was the Juve team doctor.

[jebus]

You're right in what you say Superfrank. Zidane, along with the Juve team were investigated and cleared of doping around the time, it meant Juve got to keep their Serie A titles and Champions League crown

[pineapple stu]

Viagra?
Nope. Just like football drugs, it only helps you recover quickly; if you can't play ball, it won't help you out. ;)

[stojkovic]

Maradona was repeatedly injected with cortisone on his injured knee to force him to play big games on the orders of the Comorra. This 'partially' contributed to his dependence on drugs or 'aids' as some call them.

Im no chemist but is ephedrine not just an appetite suppresant to aid weight loss which Maradona took before USA94. AFAIK ephedrine is also found in everyday substances like LemSip.

However Maradonas cocaine abuse began in the night spots of Barcelona.

A note on testing. A rumour I heard about Jaap Stam's expulsion from United is that he tested positive for something that was commonly used in Holland (nandrolone i think). Rumours began when Stam and Davids were both tested in Italy (and Fernando Couto). It wasnt just Italy as Frank de Boer (i think) was tested positive in Barcelona.

The tests are made public in Italy and Spain but kept in-house in England. I was told by someone who worked at the FA that a number of high profile players at United and Liverpool tested positive for recreational drugs and sent to re-hab but declared publicly as injured. Smaller clubs outed their players - Chris Armstrong at Palace being one.

The Pool/Utd players were rumoured to be Fowler, Redknapp, Sharp and Giggs.

[superfrank]

The Pool/Utd players were rumoured to be Fowler, Redknapp, Sharp and Giggs.
I'm sure there's a bit more than rumour to this one.
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[stojkovic]

It was probably 2/3 years before that happened.

[old git]

No it's fun....


ruben it is definatly not fun ,,, :mad::mad:

[Morbo]

Im no chemist but is ephedrine not just an appetite suppresant to aid weight loss which Maradona took before USA94. AFAIK ephedrine is also found in everyday substances like LemSip.

That was my understanding too, IMO it was a big mistake to send probably the greatest player ever home in his last ever world cup for a minor breach of the rules, it devalued the competition as a whole

[Macy]

Cocaine is performance enhancing - it's a stimulant. However, it's not normally considered performance enhancing in out of competition tests as it's benefits don't last long enough.

[jebus]

That was my understanding too, IMO it was a big mistake to send probably the greatest player ever home in his last ever world cup for a minor breach of the rules, it devalued the competition as a whole

Ephedrine is a stimulant, is banned in the US (where the tournament was held), has many side affects and has caused a few deaths in the sports world through dependence. He should have been sent home for using a banned drug in the country the tournament was on in whether it devalued the competition or not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedrine

[Wangball]

Zidane does look the druggy type....I don't trust him

[pineapple stu]

You're allowed think before you post. :rolleyes:

[Wangball]

You're allowed think before you post. :rolleyes:

I did think.....I thought Zidane looks the druggy type and I posted it!;)

[sadloserkid]

And doper or not he will always remain a dope. :)