Linfield & Derry City set to take player payment battle to FIFA.

[Mr_Parker]

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/local/article3834096.ece

[OneRedArmy]

If Linfield didn't offer a contract as stated in the article, they haven't a leg to stand on. As for verbal contracts.......

Our legal advisor has a fairly good record in recent years (after Saddam anyway) :D

[Steve Bruce]

If Linfield didn't offer a contract as stated in the article, they haven't a leg to stand on. As for verbal contracts.......

Our legal advisor has a fairly good record in recent years (after Saddam anyway) :D

We will have to see. I'm no expert so I will just let it run it's course.

The one key thing that I would point out is, Derry City offered a 'goodwill' gesture of 3k. Which to me gives the impression that DC might be in the wrong here.

90k for Stewart would be very nice though :D

[Dazzy]

Linfield will get no more than what we paid for any other player in the same situation, if we have to pay.

[lofty9]

If Linfield have not offered Thomas Stewart a contract in writing via registered post at least 60 days before the expiry of his current contract there will be no training compensation. As for £45,000 per year, Jim Kerr has been wrongly advised, in the category of club he is dealing with. Also, Thomas Stewart has have had to be signed as a professional by Derry ;) what's to say he has? I'm also sure that training compensation will only be paid up until Stewarts time with Linfield up until his 21st birthday. The 23 rule is to protect players up to that age.

[Steve Bruce]

If Linfield have not offered Thomas Stewart a contract in writing via registered post at least 60 days before the expiry of his current contract there will be no training compensation. As for £45,000 per year, Jim Kerr has been wrongly advised, in the category of club he is dealing with. Also, Thomas Stewart has have had to be signed as a professional by Derry ;) what's to say he has? I'm also sure that training compensation will only be paid up until Stewarts time with Linfield up until his 21st birthday. The 23 rule is to protect players up to that age.

And are you 100% certain this is all fact?

[Aaron]

37
Article 6 Special provisions for the EU/EEA
1. For players moving from one association to another inside the territory
of the EU/EEA, the amount of training compensation payable shall be
established based on the following:
a) If the player moves from a lower to a higher category club, the
calculation shall be based on the average training costs of the
two clubs;
b) If the player moves from a higher to a lower category, the
calculation shall be based on the training costs of the lowercategory
club.
2. Inside the EU/EEA, the fi nal season of training may occur before the
season of the player’s 21st birthday if it is established that the player
completed his training before that time.
3. If the former club does not offer the player a contract, no training
compensation is payable unless the former club can justify that it is
entitled to such compensation. The former club must offer the player
a contract in writing via registered post at least 60 days before the
expiry of his current contract. Such an offer shall furthermore be at
least of an equivalent value to the current contract. This provision is
without prejudice to the right to training compensation of the player’s
previous club(s).

FIFA guidelines. You havnt a leg to stand on

[HarpoJoyce]

Luckily, both clubs are from the same Civil juristriction.
Like any good athlete, it'll run and run.

[OneRedArmy]

And are you 100% certain this is all fact?
Are you questioning the accuracy of the Tele?:eek::D

[Steve Bruce]

FIFA guidelines. You havnt a leg to stand on

I'm not saying we do, but if you think guidelines are concrete, you are fooling yourself.

I don't think we will get 90k, but I do think we will get something. I cannot see Linfield persuing something that would make them look foolish can you?

I also don't get why DC would offer 3k 'goodwill' gesture either if they didn't have something to be wary of.

So maybe it is not as black and white as you may think.

[lofty9]

And are you 100% certain this is all fact?

have a look for yourself

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/regulations_on_the_status_and_transfer_of_players_ en_33410.pdf

[dcfcsteve]

I also don't get why DC would offer 3k 'goodwill' gesture either if they didn't have something to be wary of.

Maybe a good will gesture is to do exactly as it says on the can - maintain 'good will' between two clubs who will undoubtedly have dealings between each other again in the future ?

Maybe the relatively small sum of £3k was offered because City knows that it is in the right, but would rather save the time, legal costs and bitterness involved in this going further - and is conscious also of the need to work with Linfield again in future ?

You're right - things aren't always black and white :)

[geysir]

It looks like the ball is in Derry's court unless the player is inclined to back up Linfield to the hilt, that there was an agreeable verbal contract.

Will the offer of £3k goodwill be withdrawn should Linfield persist with their training fee demand?:D

[Mr_Parker]

FIFA guidelines. You havnt a leg to stand on

Did you note this part of the regulation you quoted?

3. If the former club does not offer the player a contract, no training
compensation is payable unless the former club can justify that it is
entitled to such compensation.

[lofty9]

Did you note this part of the regulation you quoted?

3. If the former club does not offer the player a contract, no training
compensation is payable unless the former club can justify that it is
entitled to such compensation.


I would say that this is generally argued in cases in which a player has been with the one team for a considerably longer term than Stewart had been with Linfield.

[GavinZac]

I also don't get why DC would offer 3k 'goodwill' gesture either if they didn't have something to be wary of.Er, for goodwill?

[MariborKev]

Gavin,

You have to understand that goodwill is an alien concept to people from Belfast........

[Steve Bruce]

Businesses do not give away money for no reason. I do not believe in Goodwill gestures by football clubs.

I do find it rather ironic and amusing some one from stroke city having a jibe at Belfast. But there ya go.

[Aaron]

Businesses do not give away money for no reason. I do not believe in Goodwill gestures by football clubs.

I do find it rather ironic and amusing some one from stroke city having a jibe at Belfast. But there ya go.

Whys that? Lets be honest here Belfast is full of self-centred big headed arseholes. Derry has its fair share but Belfast is full of them

[SolitudeRed]

Gavin,

You have to understand that goodwill is an alien concept to people from Belfast........


Whys that? Lets be honest here Belfast is full of self-centred big headed arseholes. Derry has its fair share but Belfast is full of them

Sweeping Generalisation alert!! I take it the pair of you have lived in the City for prolonged period of time and have met all of the 600,000 inhabitants of greater Belfast and thats how you came to such conclusions about them:rolleyes: what do you two Derry City fans have against Belfast anyway?

[MariborKev]

Jaysus,

Set this bait and had two takers:D

Solitude Red, I have indeed spent a significant amount of time in the City. Head of the Belfast Derry City SC for a period:cool:

[dortie]

what do you two Derry City fans have against Belfast anyway?

Make that 3...

[Mr_Parker]

Gavin,

You have to understand that goodwill is an alien concept to people from Belfast........

Goodwill? Is that like settling your debts promptly? :rolleyes:

[OneRedArmy]

Goodwill? Is that like settling your debts promptly? :rolleyes:Its not our fault we couldn't pay in spidey tracksuits and Burberry hats like you wanted....

[SolitudeRed]

Jaysus,

Set this bait and had two takers:D

Solitude Red, I have indeed spent a significant amount of time in the City. Head of the Belfast Derry City SC for a period:cool:

fair enough but surely you realised during that time that not everyone in Belfast was the same! Belfast Derry City SC? I take it that it was mostly made up of Derry student wans living in the Holylands!


Make that 3...

fair enough from my experience on your own forum and others like this there seems to be a fair few Derry City fans that for whatever reason share your opinion!


Its not our fault we couldn't pay in spidey tracksuits and Burberry hats like you wanted....

Well I'm sure the club would have accepted some smuggled cigs or even some laundered Diesel Or better still you could have given us vounchers for one of Derry's leading retail establishments such as the Holy shop & Fancy goods:p

Anyway about this Stewart fellah I don't reckon the bloos well give up on this that easily!

[Aaron]

fair enough but surely you realised during that time that not everyone in Belfast was the same! Belfast Derry City SC? I take it that it was mostly made up of Derry student wans living in the Holylands!



fair enough from my experience on your own forum and others like this there seems to be a fair few Derry City fans that for whatever reason share your opinion!



Well I'm sure the club would have accepted some smuggled cigs or even some laundered Diesel Or better still you could have given us vounchers for one of Derry's leading retail establishments such as the Holy shop & Fancy goods:p

Anyway about this Stewart fellah I don't reckon the bloos well give up on this that easily!

****'em;)

[Steve Bruce]

To change the subject a bit. Has tommy played yet?

[Not Brazil]

****'em;)

Six attempts, and you still haven't managed that yet!:cool::D

[dcfcsteve]

Goodwill? Is that like settling your debts promptly? :rolleyes:

Just cuz you's wanted paid in old Northern Bank notes...... :D

[brendy_éire]

To change the subject a bit. Has tommy played yet?

Not yet, naw.