Batman: the Dark Knight

[Pauro 76]

Unfortunately I fell asleep half hour before the end. Was great apart from that though! :(

[John83]

I saw it this evening and loved it. Batman has always deserved a better class of movie, and Nolan's made it. Ledger is fantastic. Go watch it.

[theworm2345]

Dragged on way to long, but was good otherwise

[Pauro 76]

Why no Robin though? Has he been written out? Never liked him anyway.

[anto1208]

Its really good but at the same time disappointing, i was never a comic book geek so that aspect is lost on me i just liked batman and like good movies. Batman Begins was brilliant. I saw that not expecting much from it and was blown away but I think this is getting over hyped. I expected so much and while I was never bored and really liked it I was left wanting at the end.

Its like when GTA4 came out and every one was giving it 10/10 as they got swept up in the hysteria and then after a few months calmed down . Im going to go see it again to make sure in a few weeks when its not so busy or maybe on the small screen.

And as for the people that started applauding in the cinema after it WTF ????

[John83]

And as for the people that started applauding in the cinema after it WTF ????
I've never understood that. It's retarded. Applaud in the theatre.

[gustavo]

Worse is the total retards that applaud after a plane flight lands

[passinginterest]

Its really good but at the same time disappointing, i was never a comic book geek so that aspect is lost on me i just liked batman and like good movies. Batman Begins was brilliant. I saw that not expecting much from it and was blown away but I think this is getting over hyped. I expected so much and while I was never bored and really liked it I was left wanting at the end.

Its like when GTA4 came out and every one was giving it 10/10 as they got swept up in the hysteria and then after a few months calmed down . Im going to go see it again to make sure in a few weeks when its not so busy or maybe on the small screen.

And as for the people that started applauding in the cinema after it WTF ????

Pretty much how I felt too. It is excellent, no question, but it's not a 10/10 it's not near perfect, some parts drag, some ideas don't work. Without Heath Ledger's captivating performance it'd probably be a 6 or 7 out of ten. He makes it an 8 or 8.5 out of ten.

[back of the net]

am seeing it tomorrow - cant bloody wait , have been waiting 3 years for this - if its anywhere near the standards aof Batman Begins , ill be leaving the cinema a happy man.

Like one of the other posters - i 2 had a mate at the press screening last week - he also saw it for a 2nd time - he said its better the 2nd time u see it cos there is just so much to take in.

please no-one put TDK spoilers on the thread - no need to spoil it for ppl who have yet to see it

cheers

[back of the net]

Ive ignored all trailers stories every thing to do with this film im not doing too bad 1 month to go but i just know some idiot will ruin it for me before i get to the cinema.

friend did the same,,, then just last week he was on wikipedia and accidentally read all the spoilers for the film.........aaaaaghhhh


someone in the states i presume (due to their earlier release date) had posted all the on it....some idiot
why do ppl do that?

[GavinZac]

someone in the states i presume (due to their earlier release date) had posted all the on it....some idiot
why do ppl do that?
"ppl" (text speak isn't allowed on foot.ie) do it for every film. There is a plot summary of every film and every tv episode. If you're on Wikipedia reading a section entitled "Plot Summary" what do you expect to find?

[anto1208]

friend did the same,,, then just last week he was on wikipedia and accidentally read all the spoilers for the film.........aaaaaghhhh


someone in the states i presume (due to their earlier release date) had posted all the on it....some idiot
why do ppl do that?

There is little or no surprises in it though thats what got me you coul dspot everything a mile off and i know F all about Batman the "fans" probibly spotted even more than me.

I think they missed the boat in having 2 good actors and having so little dialogue and no good scence of the two of them bouncing off each other.

[back of the net]

"ppl" (text speak isn't allowed on foot.ie) do it for every film. There is a plot summary of every film and every tv episode. If you're on Wikipedia reading a section entitled "Plot Summary" what do you expect to find?

sorry about the text speak


but surely you can give a summary of a plot without throw big spoilers into it??couldnt ya?

[John83]

sorry about the text speak


but surely you can give a summary of a plot without throw big spoilers into it??couldnt ya?
Sort of. Generally that sort of summary is at the very start of wikipedia pages. Anything marked "summary" or similar is typically quite detailed.

Anyway, someone asked that no one post spoilers. I'd just like to remind people about the existence of spoiler tags: Wrap your spoilers in (spoiler) and (/spoiler), but with square brackets (highlight to read - no actual spoilers in this example).

[back of the net]

Sort of. Generally that sort of summary is at the very start of wikipedia pages. Anything marked "summary" or similar is typically quite detailed.

Anyway, someone asked that no one post spoilers. I'd just like to remind people about the existence of spoiler tags: Wrap your spoilers in (spoiler) and (/spoiler), but with square brackets (highlight to read - no actual spoilers in this example).

i mean its the surprises/twists that can make/break a film - the general plot can be given without giving away the suprises/twists

but i do accpet you point on the "spoiler tags"

[sligoman]

Worse is the total retards that applaud after a plane flight landsClapping in the cinema is a lot worse than that. At least on a plane people are there that might hear it(pilot/staff) whereas I doubt the actors/directors of the film would be present at the film:D.

[cheifo]

i mean its the surprises/twists that can make/break a film - the general plot can be given without giving away the suprises/twists

but i do accpet you point on the "spoiler tags"

I use to really enjoy reading reviews and watching Newsnight review,The View etc but they give away too much of the film.

[back of the net]

saw it yday guys ---- absolutely awesome --- better than i ever could have imagined it to be - mind blowing.

left the cinema and my mind was racing - i really thought it was just an exceptional film
the general consnesus is that chris nolan will do a batman trilogy ----- my god its gonna be some task to eclipse the dark knight with batman 3.

[Pike B]

One word,
Classic.

[John83]

saw it yday guys ---- absolutely awesome --- better than i ever could have imagined it to be - mind blowing.

left the cinema and my mind was racing - i really thought it was just an exceptional film
the general consnesus is that chris nolan will do a batman trilogy ----- my god its gonna be some task to eclipse the dark knight with batman 3.
He's made vaguely positive noises. The studio will throw money at him until he agrees anyway - this is going to make nine figures before it's done.

I'm very interested to see what they'll come up with next. :)

[Pike B]

He's made vaguely positive noises. The studio will throw money at him until he agrees anyway - this is going to make nine figures before it's done.

I'm very interested to see what they'll come up with next. :)
Not many villains left for him to go to. At least not without going a bit more comic book/cartoony about it. I mean he's trying to keep it real as possible, but Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, Mr.Freeze, Poison Ivy or Bain are all too comic book world.
He obviously wanted it to be Joker again but of course the tragic death of Heath Ledger has squashed that.

[back of the net]

Not many villains left for him to go to. At least not without going a bit more comic book/cartoony about it. I mean he's trying to keep it real as possible, but Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, Mr.Freeze, Poison Ivy or Bain are all too comic book world.
He obviously wanted it to be Joker again but of course the tragic death of Heath Ledger has squashed that.

well i would love to see philip seymour hoffman as the penguin - but thats just my personal opinion
after he cast ledger as the joker - i will have eternal faith in nolan and what he does - genius

have my own opinion on the ending and why it sets it up for a third film - but dont want to say it case any1 reads it and has yet to see the film.- dont want to ruin it for those yet to see it.



it will end with a trilogy i believe

[back of the net]

One word,
Classic.

couldnt have said it better pike.

classic.

[Pike B]

well i would love to see philip seymour hoffman as the penguin - but thats just my personal opinion
after he cast ledger as the joker - i will have eternal faith in nolan and what he does - genius

have my own opinion on the ending and why it sets it up for a third film - but dont want to say it case any1 reads it and has yet to see the film.- dont want to ruin it for those yet to see it.



it will end with a trilogy i believe
Hoffman would be brilliant even if he was playing Catwoman for God's sake, but is The Penguin a realistic foe in Nolan's Gotham? I doubt it. Unless he goes away from the Comic and comes up with a more real world story for him, which Nolan being Nolan, is well capable of.

[cheifo]

One word,
Classic.

Glad to hear that after some lukewarm comments.Might go to see it tonight.

[Pike B]

Glad to hear that after some lukewarm comments.Might go to see it tonight.
Take it from me bud, I've seen a lot of movies and the only people who would knock this are people who want to be controversial or wannabe critics. It's a ten without a doubt. Make up your own mind and forget the knockers.

[anto1208]

Take it from me bud, I've seen a lot of movies and the only people who would knock this are people who want to be controversial or wannabe critics. It's a ten without a doubt. Make up your own mind and forget the knockers.


Ah i wouldnt say that i was trying to be controversial by saying its very good. Its a good film but classic is a bit strong ive seen better films this week never mind this year.

But thats just my opinion i thought Batman begins was a far better movie than the dark knight but i prefer background stories and dialogue rather than action/special effects.Still very good and ill be watching it again before too long.

[John83]

Take it from me bud, I've seen a lot of movies and the only people who would knock this are people who want to be controversial or wannabe critics. It's a ten without a doubt. Make up your own mind and forget the knockers.
I've heard actual, real-life people think it was merely good, and read a few critics who disliked it - most of whom seem to have a fetish for Tim Burton and/or Caesar Romero. I don't know what film they went to see. I read one which claimed that the Batman character had no great drama, that his personal crosses to bear weren't readily identifyable to the common man, that he was no Hamlet. Now, I'm no great Shakespeare fan, but I know my Hamlet. What personal tragedies has he to cope with? A murdered father, a trollip of a mother and being done out of the throne of Denmark. Yep, far more tragic than Batman, far more identifiable for the public!

I want to try to put a little perspective on the film. I found Batman's hand-to-hand fighting a little dull - mostly down to the editing. He's less the terrifying ninja menace in the dark of Batman Begins and more a direct physical presence.

Some of the gadgets made me squirm a bit for their implausibility - but I'm an engineer - it's a curse. This was true of Begins too, but a little more so here.

Your milage may vary with the philosophical exchanges between Alfred and Wayne and between Gordon and Batman. They can be a little too blunt - whacking the audience over the head with the message. Some people prefer their messages to be in the plot, not the dialogue. Again, this was true of Begins too,

MINOR SPOILERS AHEAD

There were a few slightly odd jumps - one that comes to mind is Batman going from the Gordons' house to the interrogation of one of Joker's goons - there just isn't enough time given he can't have known where it was. Nolan did something similar in Batman Begins - the end of the chase where Batman's trying to rush Rachael to the Batcave just doesn't make sense - one moment he's just swerved away from three squad cars and a police helicopter and the next he's racing down a lane to the Batcave.

This is all just nit-picking really, but that kind of thing takes me out of the film.

Ledger's Joker is brilliant, with perfect delivery of lines which another actor might have over- or underplayed, like the delivery of "I'm not crazy... I'm not..." during his meeting with the mob, or "That's a very poor choice of words". At the same time, he plays the role with a magnificent physical comedy - just think of his exit from the hospital.

The overbearing paranoia of the city comes across very well, I think. The score is particularly good in this regard. There's scene where a prisoner is to be transported across the city, with the expectation that the Joker will make a move on him in transit. I found myself watching every masked face, certain that one of them must be the Joker.

It's a great film, a real must see.

[Pike B]

'It's a great film, a real must see'.
The last line would have sufficed.. :D
But well done anyway!!
ive seen better films this week never mind this year'.I find this very hard to believe. Name one..

[anto1208]

anto1208
'ive seen better films this week never mind this year'.

I find this very hard to believe. Name one..

The Orphanage i think is better stunning cinematography great story dialogue acting & twists. Even Batman begins was on sky last week I think that’s a better all round movie.

This is still a very good film and id recommend it to anyone I just think people are going over board on it ive heard people saying it’s the best movie ever made !!! :eek:

[back of the net]

Glad to hear that after some lukewarm comments.Might go to see it tonight.

well chiefo --- i can only recommend it to you , tbh i cant recommend it highly enough mate -- now i am a batman fan and maybe i am judging it with rose tinted glasses - but i dont think i am

every1 has their views and thats fair enough --- go see it tonite and make up your own mind - and post your opinion tomorrow - will be interested to hear your thoughts
i loved batman begins - went and saw it 4 times in cinema -not much of a social life back then (-; - thought it was awesome but for me TDK eclipses it by a long long way

i like pike and so many thousands of others around the world think it is a classic

[back of the net]

Hoffman would be brilliant even if he was playing Catwoman for God's sake, but is The Penguin a realistic foe in Nolan's Gotham? I doubt it. Unless he goes away from the Comic and comes up with a more real world story for him, which Nolan being Nolan, is well capable of.

yeah - very fair point - i suppose thats the genius of nolan -- he keeps a certain element of realism in it - and thinking about it again and your point - i agree - maybe best to keep penguin out of the 3rd one and keep a more realistic side to things

[cheifo]

Part of the beauty of loving films(or music) are the disagreements between people who have seen the same thing but saw the same thing differently.

Last night I was fascinated to read the polarizing views on BEFORE THE DEVIL KNOWS YOUR DEAD on Rottentomatos.
Its amazing how paid reviewers can see/interpret performances,script and direction so differently.

[sligoman]

and forget the knockers.So there's no nudity at all in it?:(

[Pike B]

So there's no nudity at all in it?:(
:)...

[Pike B]

The Orphanage i think is better stunning cinematography great story dialogue acting & twists. Even Batman begins was on sky last week I think that’s a better all round movie.

This is still a very good film and id recommend it to anyone I just think people are going over board on it ive heard people saying it’s the best movie ever made !!! :eek:
Not the best ever made, but for me, the best Movie ever in the Comic Hero genre. Surpassing Batman Begins and Tim Burton's Batman aswell as Sin City.

[anto1208]

Not the best ever made, but for me, the best Movie ever in the Comic Hero genre. Surpassing Batman Begins and Tim Burton's Batman aswell as Sin City.

Id agree with that except i prefered the Begins one as i like back ground stories.

Im just hoping that the 3rd one doesnt start going down the james bond route of here batman here is your new car with xyz in it and here is your new gadgets

[Pike B]

Id agree with that except i prefered the Begins one as i like back ground stories.

Im just hoping that the 3rd one doesnt start going down the james bond route of here batman here is your new car with xyz in it and here is your new gadgets
Can't see it. With Nolan and Bale aswell as the excellent Gary Oldman and Morgan Freeman, it would take a real blip for them to mess this up. I think if there is a part 3, and they are all involved and it is up to Batman Begins standards, then it could possibly be the best trilogy of all time.
Think about it, Jedi, Godfather3, Alien 3, Back to the Future 3 they all let the ball slip after 2 amazing parts. Fingers crossed for Batman.

[shakermaker1982]

Finally got to see it last night and it's a HUGE film in scope and scale. I'd need to see it again to try and absorb everything.

The joker is brilliant, when he isn't on screen you want him back in the mix. He disappears for a while in the middle (or appeared that way)..... but what a display from Ledger. RIP. A brilliant performance and it's a shame he isn't alive to receive the plaudits. I did however hear a lot of people laughing whenever he was on screen which surprised me. Even when he was shuffling around and twitching they were in stitches?! I have to admit there is a few dark/black comedy moments that always make me laugh whatever the film (I'm usually alone in that regard) but not every scene. I will say that when the joker meets the mob mosses for the first time = pure cinema gold. I don't want to say any more for those that haven't seen it. I have a couple of queries about the film but will wait for more people on here to see it before I ask them. Don't want to spoil the plot etc.

Did Nolan try and cram too much into it? Could he have held back Harvey Dent's transformation? It's a little overlong (though the time flew for me) but so much happened I'll have to buy the DVD for the little bits I may have missed. Also what the hell is up with Bale's voice when he is in the batsuit? Does he have too talk in such a gruff lispy voice that you have to strain to hear what he is saying?! Did he sound like that in Batman Begins?

It is definitely wide open for a third movie but I'd love to see Nolan go and do something different for a little while. Something smaller scale - + he probably needs a rest after setting up some of the biggest action sequences ever filmed.

[John83]

... what the hell is up with Bale's voice when he is in the batsuit? Does he have too talk in such a gruff lispy voice that you have to strain to hear what he is saying?! Did he sound like that in Batman Begins?
He used a similar speaking voice for Batman in Begins. He has more dialogue in this one as Batman though. I didn't struggle to understand it, but I do know one or two people who find it annoying.


It is definitely wide open for a third movie but I'd love to see Nolan go and do something different for a little while. Something smaller scale - + he probably needs a rest after setting up some of the biggest action sequences ever filmed.
I'd imagine he will do something smaller first, yes. He made The Prestige between the two Batman films.

[joeSoap]

If there wasn't so much hype about this being "the best movie ever made", and Ledgers performance "probably the best performance ever" I might have come away and said, "Great movie".

But because of all the hype I was left feeling a tad disappointed, and a little numb around the ass because of the unnecessary length of the movie. Bale doesn't do it for me as Batman. I can't put my finger on it, but theres something not right. Ledger was indeed brilliant in his role, and definitely stole the show, but the seriousness and overall darkness of the movie took from my childhood memories of Batman, the caped crusader with the juvenile sidekick, and full of slapstick sayings and humour.

All in all, well worth going to see, but nowhere near the ultimate classic it is being touted as in my book. I enjoyed Iromnam as much...that sums it up for me.

[back of the net]

Finally got to see it last night and it's a HUGE film in scope and scale. I'd need to see it again to try and absorb everything.

The joker is brilliant, when he isn't on screen you want him back in the mix. He disappears for a while in the middle (or appeared that way)..... but what a display from Ledger. RIP. A brilliant performance and it's a shame he isn't alive to receive the plaudits. I did however hear a lot of people laughing whenever he was on screen which surprised me. Even when he was shuffling around and twitching they were in stitches?! I have to admit there is a few dark/black comedy moments that always make me laugh whatever the film (I'm usually alone in that regard) but not every scene. I will say that when the joker meets the mob mosses for the first time = pure cinema gold. I don't want to say any more for those that haven't seen it. I have a couple of queries about the film but will wait for more people on here to see it before I ask them. Don't want to spoil the plot etc.

Did Nolan try and cram too much into it? Could he have held back Harvey Dent's transformation? It's a little overlong (though the time flew for me) but so much happened I'll have to buy the DVD for the little bits I may have missed. Also what the hell is up with Bale's voice when he is in the batsuit? Does he have too talk in such a gruff lispy voice that you have to strain to hear what he is saying?! Did he sound like that in Batman Begins?

It is definitely wide open for a third movie but I'd love to see Nolan go and do something different for a little while. Something smaller scale - + he probably needs a rest after setting up some of the biggest action sequences ever filmed.

personally i loved bales batman voice - the darkness of it - i think he is a great actor - i loved the way he could go from the sleazy playboy bruce wayne to the more concerned bruce wayne to the darkness that was batman - great performance i thought

ledger - what more can we say - agree 100% - yeah that scene at the start with the mob bosses -- well F**k me - WOW - awesome

would love to talk about it more - but like you mate - i dont wanna spoil the plot for the people who have yet to see it.
Yeah definitely setup for batman 3 imo - great ending i thought

im sure we all have queries and opinions on where nolan goes with the franchise now - but like u say lets wait for a while tilll more people get to see it

maybe a bit overlong - but there was alot to fit in - but it flew - i really believe its best to see it again to absorb more - hence why im heading to my second viewing tonight

[passinginterest]

Did Nolan try and cram too much into it? Could he have held back Harvey Dent's transformation? It's a little overlong (though the time flew for me) but so much happened I'll have to buy the DVD for the little bits I may have missed. Also what the hell is up with Bale's voice when he is in the batsuit? Does he have too talk in such a gruff lispy voice that you have to strain to hear what he is saying?! Did he sound like that in Batman Begins?


Too much crammed in for me too. I feel it would have been better ending around the hospital scene with Two Face featuring in the 3rd film, the transformation feels sudden and rushed, the character almost seems wasted. The voice didn't really bother me, at least it makes it more difficult to identify him as Bruce Wayne.

[shakermaker1982]

spot on PassingInterest I'd have stopped at the * SPOILER* hospital scene as well. If there is to be a third movie then batman needs to be in a spiral of depression after losing his love. Confused and filled with rage they could set the first act up as a guy losing control. Hunted by the police and hated by everybody it would head into dark territory. Just a pity Heath isn't around to join in on the fun.

[cheifo]

Not the biggest fan of the comic book genre but loved it, regressed into being an awe struck 12 year old at times-which is what I want from these films.

Agree with some of the quibbles on here but not enough to take away my enjoyment from a packed epic.

Who in undergoodness will dare to take on the role of the Joker in the next one??!
Would be like dating a girl who has just broke up with Brad Pitt.

[John83]

Who in undergoodness will dare to take on the role of the Joker in the next one??!
Would be like dating a girl who has just broke up with Brad Pitt.
I suspect that Nolan's Batman universe will keep Joker locked up in Arkham for some time to come.

[deecay]

Wasnt a big fan or anything but it exceeded my expectations

[jebus]

Just watched it and thought it was great. The only two problems I would have had is with the recently spoilered parts (I concur) and the sonar sequence near the end (didn't sit right for whatever reason. Ledger was fantastic, played the more twisted Joker to a tee (I don't think they should recast the Joker by the way, Nolan plans to end this as a Trilogy I hear so we shouldn't see the Joker again), Eckhart played Harvey Dent superbly as well, actually all the cast were very good. I've heard people criticise Bale as Batman, but I think he plays the dark side of Batman as well as Ledger played the Joker to be fair, oh and the villians (and in particular the Joker)always steal the show in Batman, be it on the small screen, the silver screen, or the graphic novel, we identify more with the bad guy as a society, just the way it is with storytelling in this day and age

[sligoman]

Wasnt a big fan or anything but it exceeded my expectationsThought we had a date?

[lionelhutz]

Fantastic film. Went to see it last night, thought it'd be getting quieter but it was still packed. The time just flew by. Ledger as the joker deserves all plaudits - he must have put in so much work to get into that mindset - you could never understand why he is so psychotic which makes it all the more frightening. People are always terrified of that.

I thought Bale was just as good as Ledger in his role. He had to adjust from being the high living playboy to the thoughtful billionaire to the vigilante saving Gotham city. Really he had three characters he had to portray.

Eckhart was also brilliant as were the majority of the cast. There's so much to take in. I'll definitely have to see it again to fully understand some of it.