View Full Version : I find the RTE Euro 2008 coverage horrible.
Jimmy Magee is the worst commentator on TV. The only people who like him probably have alzheimers and can't remember his name anyway. .
I've actually become a fan of Jimmy. I remember growing up I thought he was awful but now I like listening to him. His genuine enthusiasm for the game shines through and he can make even a dull game seem exciting. Don't like Hamilton, Daragh Moloney isn't the worst but has a horrible habit of raising his voice towards the end of a sentence when anything exciting looks like it might happen. As for the English Commentators, muck, mostly. John Motson and his infuriating little chuckles to himself, the hideous Clive Tyldsley and (as I once read him very aptly described in When Saturday Comes) the "deeply unwelcome Jonathon Pearce".
Now......what was the question ?
Schumi
11/06/2008, 2:53 PM
Also thought the Ex QPR/rangers/england co host - whose name i cant remember was ace mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what was his name again:mad:Mark Hately? Is he involved in TV now?
snap. Jeez he is the best bar none
Love his articles for the guardian
Also thought the Ex QPR/rangers/england co host - whose name i cant remember was ace mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what was his name again:mad:
I know he played for Celtic, but you're not thinking of Paul Elliot are you (he that had his career ended by Dean Saunders)? Himself and Richardson were always good together.
Daragh Moloney isn't the worst but has a horrible habit of raising his voice towards the end of a sentence when anything exciting looks like it might happen
I actually can't stand him. The "raised voice" tendency you mention is often used to sensationalise situations. Every loss is a "disaster!" and every victory is a "massive step toward" something or other. He's got no sense of balance. No ability for calm analysis. His job is, simply, to whip things up to the level of hysteria and make sweeping generalisations about everything.
Give me Jimmy Maggee any day!
MyTown
11/06/2008, 3:12 PM
Mark Hately? Is he involved in TV now?
Saw him on Setanta's coverage of the SPL recently enough I think
RTE pundits ok compared to the rest but they do drag on post match. Don't know who watches 30 minutes of post match analysis of Sweden & Greece? Maybe they just waiting for Apres Match but thats on the web site now.
I find David Pleat the best of the match summarisers as at least he makes some effort to look at the tactical line ups. That said I don't listen to them much. If Ray Houghton is on I will watch any alternative as he has the opinions of a bar fly.
Calcio Jack
11/06/2008, 3:42 PM
RTE pundits ok compared to the rest but they do drag on post match. Don't know who watches 30 minutes of post match analysis of Sweden & Greece? Maybe they just waiting for Apres Match but thats on the web site now.
I find David Pleat the best of the match summarisers as at least he makes some effort to look at the tactical line ups. That said I don't listen to them much. If Ray Houghton is on I will watch any alternative as he has the opinions of a bar fly.
I think you're exagerating somewhat...usually the games end at 9.30ish... follwed by analysis and a couple of ad' breaks before they show highlights of the earlier match at 9.50pm that's then followed by the credits and then Apres Match which is finished before 10pm....so they at max do approx 10minutes analysis..... maybe because the Sweden game was so poor it just felt like 30 minutes !!
gustavo
11/06/2008, 3:43 PM
Just spent the last ten minutes talking about Cristiano Ronaldos contract situation , i.e nothing to do with Euro 2008
Just spent the last ten minutes talking about Cristiano Ronaldos contract situation , i.e nothing to do with Euro 2008
Glad I missed that so. They talk about that everything I see them.
I noticed Peter Collins was presenter last night with Dunphy & the others. Might be worth watching that as time goes on surely Dunphy will eventually call him a clown or similar eventually.
shakermaker1982
11/06/2008, 6:11 PM
Did they slag off Ronaldo tonight? The guy who never does it on the big stage and only scores goals against Derby and Birmingham?
If Portugal can get a decent LB to replace Ferreira they could go all the way. A decent side will attack that flank.
Did they slag off Ronaldo tonight? The guy who never does it on the big stage and only scores goals against Derby and Birmingham?
Did you watch the game? Wasn't exactly a world class performance was it?
shakermaker1982
11/06/2008, 6:38 PM
Did you watch the game? Wasn't exactly a world class performance was it?
I watched the game and he played ok. Scored the vital goal and created the third so not a bad day at the office overall. Scoring goals and winning is what it is about at the end of the day. Ronaldo and Portugal did that.
Dunphy along with a few other haters in the media will probably claim he tripped over the ball and that is why the ball went in instead of giving the guy any credit whatsoever.
shakermaker1982
11/06/2008, 6:43 PM
Play a round of golf/walk the dog/go to the pub or watch dvd's of international friendlies?? :)
I watched the game and he played ok. Scored the vital goal and created the third so not a bad day at the office overall. Scoring goals and winning is what it is about at the end of the day. Ronaldo and Portugal did that.
That it may be, but it wasn't exactly a performance to shut up the doubters (of which I am one) was it?
superfrank
11/06/2008, 7:06 PM
It was an effective performance.
He scored a very good goal and he did very well to, unselfishly, set up Quaresma's goal.
boovidge
11/06/2008, 7:22 PM
I find David Pleat the best of the match summarisers as at least he makes some effort to look at the tactical line ups. That said I don't listen to them much. If Ray Houghton is on I will watch any alternative as he has the opinions of a bar fly.
:eek: David Pleat is possibly the worst out of all BBC, ITV, RTE and Sky. I go out of my way to avoid him he's that bad.
It was an effective performance.
He scored a very good goal and he did very well to, unselfishly, set up Quaresma's goal.
Again I congratulate him on that, but again I say, it wasn't exactly a performance to change the minds of those of us who think he can't perform in a big match was it?
superfrank
11/06/2008, 7:26 PM
Again I congratulate him on that, but again I say, it wasn't exactly a performance to change the minds of those of us who think he can't perform in a big match was it?
You're right, it wasn't.
shakermaker1982
11/06/2008, 7:30 PM
That it may be, but it wasn't exactly a performance to shut up the doubters (of which I am one) was it?
Next time I see him I'll tell him your not convinced Jebus!!! :D
Top scorer in the CL this season. Scored in the final of the CL + played well, particularly in the first half (much to the dismay of his critics who said he can only get a goal against mediocre opposition in meaningless games). What else? 42 goals in a season, not bad for a player who isn't your traditional centre forward.
What else does the guy have to do to win over his critics? It really perplexes me that he still has his doubters.
Bar the goal in the Final he didn't do much, particularly after the first half where he disappeared yet again. CL top scorer with 8 in what was a poor top scorers chart (Gerrard was second for instance). He may not be a traditional centre forward in the sense of a Shearer or Van Nistelrooy, but does play the Thierry Henry role for United, he's certainly not a winger. Now maybe if he had a few better tricks and a bit more class, like Thierry Henry, people would stop having doubts, as it is any time I see him in an important game he's mostly useless.
The game that summed up Ronaldo and the media hype for me was when United beat Arsenal 2-1 in the title run in. Clichy had Ronaldo in his pocket the whole afternoon, but because Ronaldo scored a penalty the papers give him an 8/10 and United fans fail to take off the red tinted specs again
NeilMcD
11/06/2008, 7:59 PM
If Ronaldo was ginger and was pug ugly and did not dive people would have not have their doubts about him. His problem with some people is his star quality and the way he reacts if the play breaks down or there is a misplaced pass.
stojkovic
11/06/2008, 8:25 PM
:eek: David Pleat is possibly the worst out of all BBC, ITV, RTE and Sky. I go out of my way to avoid him he's that bad.
Today he kept referring to the Czechs as Czechoslovakians.
PLeat is my favourite co-commentator.
boovidge
11/06/2008, 8:51 PM
the real reason why people on here don't rate Ronaldo is that he plays for Man Utd in the Premier League and so all the armchair fans rave about him. If he played in Spain or Italy everyone on here would rate him as one of the best players in the world.
the real reason why people on here don't rate Ronaldo is that he plays for Man Utd in the Premier League and so all the armchair fans rave about him. If he played in Spain or Italy everyone on here would rate him as one of the best players in the world.
He is one of the top three players in the world, but he's still not as good as people make him out to be
NeilMcD
11/06/2008, 9:14 PM
He is also not as bad as other people make him out to be.
Stevo Da Gull
11/06/2008, 9:17 PM
The truth about Ronaldo is that he is one of Europe's top wingers/attacking midfielders.... shall we all agree?
The truth about Ronaldo is that he is one of Europe's top wingers/attacking midfielders in a very poor footballing era.... shall we all agree?
I'll agree to that :)
Razors left peg
11/06/2008, 9:26 PM
Today he kept referring to the Czechs as Czechoslovakians.
He called them the Republic of Czechoslovakia twice! he is awful
shakermaker1982
11/06/2008, 9:27 PM
He is one of the top three players in the world, but he's still not as good as people make him out to be
No one is proclaiming him to be the next Pele, Maradona or Zidane (well I'm certainly not.....especially at this stage of his career) but like you say he is in the top 3 at this moment in time.
If he continues his rich vein of form into next season then he will challenge for the best player in the world mantle. He's 23, still learning and a good way off his peak. Henry was 22 I think when he moved to Arsenal and it took him 2/3 years before he really hit top gear.
No one is proclaiming him to be the next Pele, Maradona or Zidane
Quite a bit of the British media are.
He's 23, still learning and a good way off his peak. Henry was 22 I think when he moved to Arsenal and it took him 2/3 years before he really hit top gear.
He's a good few years older than best player in the world as it is
NeilMcD
11/06/2008, 9:58 PM
I love Messi and I think he is incredible but I am sure if we apply all the criteria to Messi that they do about Ronaldo he would struggle too. What has he won in the game etc. Has he won the title and had a major say in it. How many goals has he scored in really major matches.
I love both players and I think they are a joy to watch but they are both young and there time is ahead of them . I just think that in this part of the world that Ronaldo comes under close scrutiny and every game is analysed and seen as his chance answer the critics.
Roadend
12/06/2008, 8:10 AM
Ronaldo discussion again, oh joy!! Back on topic and not RTE's fault but watching the Swiss-Turk game last night some absolute morons in the crowd had whistles, it was driving me mad wathing it as they seemed to blow it every time a player was in the oppostion box. It became extremely irritating as the game went on.
PLeat is my favourite co-commentator.
I can never understand the stick he gets. He seems to understand the actual mechanics of the game very well, and generally has interesting insights into the tactical battles being played out. He might drop the odd clanger, but he really knows the game (unlike a lot of other pundits).
superfrank
12/06/2008, 10:42 AM
Another summariser I really like is Jimmy Armfield on the BBC. I haven't heard him at the Euros but he's sucha great laugh.
bennocelt
12/06/2008, 2:58 PM
I've actually become a fan of Jimmy. I remember growing up I thought he was awful but now I like listening to him. His genuine enthusiasm for the game shines through and he can make even a dull game seem exciting.
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thats funny, its the same for me. I hated him years ago but now i kind of enjoy his commentary, dont really know why though
bennocelt
12/06/2008, 3:02 PM
Mark Hately? Is he involved in TV now?
actually he did play for all those teams too, and
i don remember him on TV
but i remember now
it was Ray Wilkins, maybe not the best in the world but he had a cool voice and always cracked the jokes
I can never understand the stick he gets. He seems to understand the actual mechanics of the game very well, and generally has interesting insights into the tactical battles being played out
Don't watch ITV to be honest, but I like Pleat's analysis of the main weekend Premiership game in the Guardian on Monday's during the season.
gaiscíoch
12/06/2008, 3:04 PM
I can never understand the stick he gets. He seems to understand the actual mechanics of the game very well, and generally has interesting insights into the tactical battles being played out. He might drop the odd clanger, but he really knows the game (unlike a lot of other pundits).
Did you ever stop to think that it's you who might be wrong. I'm going to just throw this one out there and I know it's stating the obvious but...... I'd guess you never actually played "Pro"football and most if not all co-commentators have indeed been involved at the highest level for the duration of their careers???. While you my friend sit behind a key board telling them they don't know what they are talking about????:confused:
Did you ever stop to think that it's you who might be wrong.
No.
I'd guess you never actually played "Pro" football
I've played every version of Pro Evoltion Soccer (or "Football") since the series first appeared.
Next question.
gaiscíoch
12/06/2008, 3:19 PM
I've played every version of Pro Evoltion Soccer (or "Football") since the series first appeared.
Next question.
Where did you go to school? Did they not teach you to read properly?
I said "Pro" football not Pro Evolution soccer:confused:
I can never understand the stick he gets. He seems to understand the actual mechanics of the game very well, and generally has interesting insights into the tactical battles being played out. He might drop the odd clanger, but he really knows the game (unlike a lot of other pundits).
Admittedly the standard is low but I find he understands the c0-commentator role. No use just repeating what the commentator has said as he looks at the bigger picture which can only see when at the game.
Where did you go to school? Did they not teach you to read properly?
I didn't go to school. My father, a part-time professional footballer (cum taxidermist) taught me to read by staring at me threateningly for 5 years. It was, I admit, an unorthodox technique - but the results have been satisfactory.
I said "Pro" football not Pro Evolution soccer:confused:
Same thing. Actually, according to Jan Molby (who I met recently in Dublin) playing the virtual game makes you more knowledgeable. Strange but true.
gustavo
12/06/2008, 3:35 PM
Oh great , More Premiership discussion in lieu of actual pre match analysis :(
Roadend
13/06/2008, 9:54 AM
Am I missing something or why do the RTE commentators keep pronouncing the Polish player Krzynowek as Gynowek?
superfrank
13/06/2008, 12:30 PM
Bundesliga commentators call him "Chinovek"
superfrank
13/06/2008, 4:02 PM
I don't understand Dunphy. A few days ago he proclaimed Kaka as without a doubt the best player in the world countering what papers were saying about C.Ronaldo.
Now he's gone on a tangent about how he believes the Italian league to be in decline due to the quality of their players. :eek:
Well, Kaka's not Italian.
stojkovic
13/06/2008, 4:09 PM
I don't understand Dunphy. A few days ago he proclaimed Kaka as without a doubt the best player in the world countering what papers were saying about C.Ronaldo.
Now he's gone on a tangent about how he believes the Italian league to be in decline due to the quality of their players. :eek:Id say he means generally.
There's always the odd exception like Kaka, Buffon etc.
stojkovic
13/06/2008, 5:09 PM
But Serie A is in decline compared to England and Spain. The only shining light has been Milan (and Kaka) who in my mind are the team of the decade.
It needs rejuvenating. A strong Juve and a rebuilt Milan who have all aged together. And of course the Special One at Inter (the All Blacks of European football).
Serie A will be back at the top, these things go in cycles. The Premiership cant continue at the rate its going.
Stevo Da Gull
13/06/2008, 5:58 PM
Now I may well be wrong here but today Eamonn Dunphy praised Grosso to the hilt and referred to him as class.... during the last World Cup did he not insult Grosso and say that he wasn't a top class full back?
EDIT: Now he's talking about Ireland as having ``an awful lot of top players``... he's a self contradicting machine!
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